[galacticprobe]

No problem, Lee. that's what we're here for – to help people understand all things nautical (and of course, primarily, 'The Onedin Line').

You're right; fore-and-aft sails did/still do also have reefing bands and points, and no one had to go aloft to do the reefing when it was done. Notice how the reef bands are on the lower end of the sail. To shorten a fore-and-aft sail you just lower the gaff (the small boom at the top of the sail) and tie the reef points off at the bottom. That's what makes vessels like schooners easier for fewer people to handle. Theoretically all you need is one or two people per mast, plus one at the helm, a mate, and a captain (and a cook if you really don't want to "round robin" the job). So a three-masted schooner can operate with a crew of as little as 12-14, and they can work all masts simultaneously if necessary. A full-rigged ship (such as the CUTTY SARK) would take a crew upwards of 55 or more, and they'd be working one mast at a time.

And if I remember the episode in question correctly, James was chasing another ship down, gaining, and sluicing his sails to outrun even faster it before it entered someone's territorial waters. (Which didn't stop James anyway as I think he had to send his small boat into those territorial waters to get the person he was after.)

Dino.

—–Original Message—–
From: Lee Bonnifield <lee78@localnet.com>
To: shiponedingroup <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, May 2, 2013 8:57 pm
Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] Re: Onedin Polls

Thanks Richard & Dino for the descriptions of work aloft & the photos!
I'd rather navigate. Even with modern safety equipment it sounds
extremely dangerous. Not to mention the weight of the sail you're
pulling up and the difficulty of grabbing it when it is full of wind.

I just spotted what may be gaskets(?) 19 min 31 seconds in to S6N6 The
Reverend's Daughter . I think that's a fore&aft sail, so nobody would go
aloft to shorten it, but I suppose they're still used to tie it at
varying extensions.

Yes, the context of sluicing S?N? was James trying to get more speed
(did he EVER want less?) by hauling buckets of seawater aloft and
throwing the water on the sails.

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[galacticprobe]

Richard,

Let me start off by saying that I'm the first one to say "I stand corrected" when I make a mistake, so worry not about "falling out" by e-mail. (As I mentioned, it has been some years since I was active in my living history group, so some of my info has gotten a little cloudy.) Once you started in about where the reefing points were tied off to and which side of a sail was goosewinged, I pulled a Homer Simpson… "DOH!"… and promptly had the heel of my hand make contact with my forehead. To be fair, I talked mainly at the Navigation Display – qualified underway Quartermaster of the Watch, which as an Electronics Tech was an accomplishment – helped me out there. I also did the Small Arms display (OJT for that one), and I developed a Ship's Carpenter display, again learning it all OJT while restoring an old wooden skiff for one of our local historic houses: accumulated a lot of period tools to work with, too. That was fun! (Seriously, it was.)

I rarely stood by at the Rigs and Rigging Display (which also dealt with sail-handling), but back then I knew that stuff. But as they say, 'if you don't use it, you lose it'. So I haven't "completely" lost the bit on sail-handling, but I have gotten cloudy and I do thank you for clearing up my misinformation, and for refreshing my memory. The other three Displays I worked I did so much they're ingrained in me and I doubt I'll forget those. 😉

Coast Guard Cutters – at least the ones from the mid 1980s on – are top-heavy, and to coin a phrase, "roll like pigs". More aptly, they ride like a Styrofoam cup in a jacuzzi! They have "stabilizer fins" at the bilge keel to counteract the rolling, but all they do is turn what would be a smooth rolling into a 'whipping' action, so the ride is even worse. I was on the CGC Harriet Lane during The Perfect Storm and we got the crap knocked out of us. Then in August 2004 when I was on CGC Legare, just back in the Atlantic from coming through the Panama Canal, with the seas at an 8-foot chop we rolled so badly that it threw my back out and I ended up having lower back surgery which haunted me from then on, leading to a series of ER visits, a second surgery in mid 2010 after my back slipped out again, this time causing sciatic nerve damage, which finally forced my retirement in Feb 2011 (and a third surgery about a year later, and things are still not right).

Now my buoy tender (vintage 1940s) that I was on in the early 1980s didn't have those fins, and she rode so much better even though she rolled quite a bit (round, pig belly hull with an ice-breaking bow). Aboard her we found and placed a wreck buoy at the MARINE ELECTRIC when she went down in a storm. It would be more correct to say the M E found us. It was the middle of the night and we could see the shape of a broken hull on the depth sounder chart recorder, and on a final pass to make sure, the M E's mooring line drifted up and caught us by our screw. Brought us to a screeching halt and held us there until we could get divers to cut the line from our screw later that day. (The divers also confirmed the wreck was the MARINE ELECTRIC, and not another ship.) Now that was creepy: looking off our stern and seeing a heavy line disappearing into the water knowing that 120 feet down at the other end was a 600-or-so-foot cargo ship that had sunk only a day or so before taking 31 of her 34-man crew with her.

I never got to sail aboard EAGLE, though before my tour on LEGARE I was Fleet Support for the AN/SPS-73 Radar and spent many hours (and days) aboard EAGLE repairing her radar. (During OpSail 2000 in Norfolk, VA, my wedding ring ended up inside EAGLE's radar somehow, and they still haven't found it!) I spent all of OpSail aboard her trying to get that radar working. Again just before I went to LEGARE I was aboard EAGLE in New London, CT for a week in May 2003 giving her radar a full going over because she was on her way to the Med for several months. That was way after CAPT Cassidy was the CO, though (1972-1973). The COs when I worked on her radar were CAPT Ivan Luke (OpSail), and CAPT Eric Shaw, who had just taken command from Luke in 2003, though as an enlisted guy like I was, their first names were always "Captain"! And that CO info comes from the CG Historian's web site: http://www.uscg.mil/history/webcutters/eagle_1946.asp

Dino.

—–Original Message—–
From: R <advcour@btinternet.com>
To: shiponedingroup <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, May 2, 2013 2:35 pm
Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] Re: Onedin Polls

Reefing a square sail was back in the days when topsails and topgallants were single sails and very large, it wasn't an efficient way to reduce sail requiring reefing tackles and lots of men going aloft to tie the reef points. Common sense and practicality eventually prevailed and both sails were divided into uppers and lowers particularly on really tall ships with double t'gallants, mostly it was the topsails that got divided, the whole upper yard being able to slide up and down it's section of mast (see Sorlandet photo and the crew having finised the upper topsail and climbing straight down to help on the lower topsail), most of the work being done from the deck and a much quicker way of reducing sail.

Goosewinging was I'm afraid to say, done the other way around. When running down wind or more likely with the wind on the quarter it was the windward side of the sail that was left full to catch the brunt of the wind and the leeward side simply clewed up because it was in the lee and flogging, it was not a practice done in particularly heavy weather, more the direction of wind. Modern yachts do it for the same reasons when sailing downwind, the mainsail goes one side and the headsail the other so as not to flog. There are old photos of square sails in a goose wing condition with the windward side clewed up and men on the yard reducing sail but that was an attempt at 'killing' the sail to allow them to furl it. I've been in that situation and can tell you the ballooned out winward end of the sail is like concrete and you can do nothing with it.
Please forgive me for taking you to task again, I'm not trying to be argumentative and it's all too easy to fall out by email but reef points were never tied around spars, they still aren't, the grommets and usually triangular patches they are sewn into simply aren't man enough to take the strain of heavy weather, the whole reason for reducing sail.
In the case of reef points on square sails the sail was bunted up to the yard and the points were taken either side of the reduced canvas and around the boltrope along the top edge of the sail, not the yard, the reefing tackles would then pull the new head as taught as possible, the individual reef points then share the load with the boltrope.
Reefing square sails died out long before James' day!

I don't think I would have liked going aloft on your Coast Guard cutter either, motor vessels have a much sharper roll, at least tallships rolled long but slow! Did you ever serve under Capt.Cassidy on the US barque 'Eagle' by any chance? He was my captain onboard the four mast barque 'Sea Cloud' in the Med.

Richard

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[galacticprobe]

"R" sent a very detailed reply on what going aloft is like. I'm just glad I never had to do that in my Coast Guard career, other than to work on a wonky radar pedestal, and even that was a bit of a trial when the Cutter was rolling (and as I got older I found that I could no longer handle heights!). But there was one thing in R's reply I didn't see: Reefing sail.

Have you ever noticed those horizontal bands on a square sail, and how those bands have "strings" dangling from then every few feet across? Those bands are Reefing bands. (Excuse my terminology if I get something a little off; it's been ages since I've talked about this in my living history group.) And those "strings" are Reefing Points: pieces of line (rope) that run through grommets in the sail so the line dangles on the fore and aft sides of the sail.

Those are used to reef, or "shorten sail" so the ship can keep some sail rather than furling the whole sail and leaving the yard "bare". You heave in the sail just as R described until you reach one of the reefing bands. (Some large sails such as the topgallant can have upwards of three reefing bands. The captain will determine just how much sail he wants to leave out, and that determines which reefing band you'll use.)

Once you have the reefing band at hand, those reefing points I mentioned are used to tie the sail around the yard; the line is tied off with a square or "reef" knot (not a "granny" knot, which looks similar, but will slip loose). That's how you reef and tie off a sail. The captain would order sails reefed if the weather was turning harsh and carrying full sail would result in either a broken mast, snapped rigging, or worse. If things got really bad then all sails would be furled and the ship would continue under "bare poles"; the wind would be strong enough that the rigging would catch enough of it to push the ship along. (But we're talking winds near hurricane force now.)

The captain could also order a sail – usually one of the forward, lower sails such as a lower topsail – to be "goose-winged". This is when the weather side of the sail (the side taking the brunt of the wind) would be completely furled, and the lee side (the part of the sail on the other side of the ship, where the mast and rigging would block some of the force) would be reefed; you had a triangular portion of a square sail exposed, so you weren't under bare poles. It offered a little more speed and that gave you a little more rudder control.

As for sluicing sails… I believe that's when buckets of water (and this would be sea water) are hauled up the mast and poured on the sails to wet them down. As most people are aware, a wet cloth will catch and hold the wind better than a dry one, and the same holds true for sails. During the War of 1812, in one engagement, the USS CONSTITUTION used this method to catch a little more wind and outrun a heavier armed British warship. (I believe Onedin used this trick in an episode or two to overtake another ship.)

Dino.

—–Original Message—–
From: Lee Bonnifield <lee78@localnet.com>
To: shiponedingroup <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, May 1, 2013 10:56 pm
Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] Re: Onedin Polls

I'm not clear on what you do up there — raise the
bottom edge of square sails (reef)? tie it (with what?) to yard
(dictionary says sailor rolls it up hence he's called "reefer".) Untie
it? And why sluice sails S?N? ?

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[galacticprobe]

AH! How did I miss this poll!? I'd put Leonora up there as well. (Aside from all of those attributes mentioned below, you forgot to mention that magnificent full head of red hair she had! Red hair: my fatal weakness. Thank the Sweet Goddess of the Sea I married a redhead!)

Dino.

—–Original Message—–
From: leebonnifield <lee78@localnet.com>
To: shiponedingroup <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 10:21 pm
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Re: Onedin Polls

My favorite character?

Leonora Biddulph! I'd rather have her around than any of the others. Brave, determined, resourceful, aggressive, cares nothing for convention. James was foolish not to marry her for purely selfish reasons when she offered to take care of Charlotte. Given how hard she worked for him, think how much happier she would have been if she were getting what she wanted! I don't think she had unrealistic expectations about what a cold fish he is, but if she were disappointed and left, he'd be no worse off.

The ships! Taking advantage of free wind and currents to cross the ocean, if you know how to select the vectors and measure the stars to figure out where you are. I built a big model of the Cutty Sark, and read Richard Henry Dana's _Two Years Before the Mast_. It's hard to imagine the contempt in which sailors were held, maybe that was necessary to give them such dangerous work aloft. I still can't believe many captains would sail thousands of miles, around Cape Horn, with no prospect for a cargo except the word of a frightened pantryman (S2N4 Fetch and Carry).

Anne, I didn't think the series could continue without her.

James. And later, Elizabeth. Ayn Rand would love those two, I wonder if she ever commented.

— In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, "Diana" <moonroll@…> wrote:
>
> Thanks to everyone who voted for their fav character.
>
> 11 people voted out of 35 members so a little disappointing that we
> didn't make 50% but there was certainly a lot of activity last week.
>
> The winner of favourite character, just pipping James, is ELIZABETH
>
>
> I will set up another poll later this week – assuming everyone wants
> to continue.
>
> Diana
>

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[galacticprobe]

Another place to try is Dropbox. When you upload there you just provide the link for the file to anyone you want to download it.

Trying to upload a file that size to the Yahoo! Group would probably fill all available space in the Files section!

Dino.

—–Original Message—–
From: Bill <william.whittaker1@ntlworld.com>
To: shiponedingroup <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:14 pm
Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] Onedin captcha #1

This might be of interest.

https://mega.co.nz/

Offers 50 GB of free storage space with good up/down speed.

Uploaded files are encrypted and only the user holds the decryption keys. No
one else including mega knows what the files are.

The unique encripted key which is only present on your computer can be sent
to anyone anywhere in the world with an internet connection so they can
download your file(s)

I have not tried the service myself yet but have heard good thing about it
from some people on various boards.

Bill

—– Original Message —–
From: "Lee Bonnifield" <lee78@localnet.com>
To: <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:46 AM
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Onedin captcha #1

> afraid this didn't work — twice it appeared to be uploading fine but in
> the middle the browser screen went blank except for "Server Hangup".
> I'll try again with a faster connection.
>
>
> It isn't cheating to use your subtitles but to make it harder I won't
> say episode/time where this came from. I don't have subtitles, I really
> don't know what is being said in several places, and I bet you will tell
> me. I know what Elizabeth says, what does MacCaulay say? See files
> section Onedin captcha #1.
>
>
>
> ————————————
>
> Website about the Onedin Line
> http://www.sound-research.co.uk/onedin_line.htm Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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[galacticprobe]

Thanks! Maybe one of us will catch that little something that was missed the first (few?) times around!

As for the Anne Onedin, the reason she has sails is because – thanks to some cosmetics (false funnel, deckhouse aft, and wheelhouse amidships) and a change of name boards – the Charlotte Rhodes doubled as the Anne Onedin. With other cosmetic changes she also portrayed other Onedin ships: Caledonia, Oberon, and Cardiff (and of course without any cosmetics, the Scotch Lass).

Info again courtesy of "The World of the Onedin Line", (c) 1977 Alison McLeay.

Dino.

—–Original Message—–
From: leebonnifield <lee78@localnet.com>
To: shiponedingroup <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:53 pm
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Re: Steamship Anne Onedin

(thread was "I'm new here")

On 4/23/2013 12:34 PM, LambuLambu@aol.com wrote:

> And I do have a question that no one has been able to answer yet: maybe
> I missed it when watching my way through the entire Series, but at some
> point in Series 7 or 8, it's mentioned that James Onedin has no
> steamships, yet I can't remember any mention in a previous series where
> there's mention of him permanently selling the Anne Onedin.

I saw this thread question from you and was watching closely as I started again with Series 3, I'm almost up to Series 5. I think you're right, we don't know what happened.

> I know he lost her when Jack Frazer sold her and she was renamed Scotch
> Lass, but then James regained possession of her (in "A Proposal of
> Marriage" via salvage rights) and renamed her Anne Onedin again. Then he
> sold her for 5,000 pounds (I forget the episode's title), used that
> money to buy several small schooners, then turned around and sold the
> schooners during the coal miners' strike making 10 thousand pounds on
> the deal, and bought back the Anne Onedin for only 2,000 pounds.
> That was the last I knew of James doing any selling of her,

That was in S4N2 "A Cold Wind Blowing". She's part of the plot in S4N3 "Not Wanted on Voyage" but in S4N5 "Quarantine" James makes a contract requiring 3 steamers and Elizabeth says he has none, and there is no mention that the Anne Onedin is busy doing other trade.

> and he still
> had her at the end of Series 6. So, was there something I missed that
> left him without the Anne Onedin in Series 7 and 8?

I'll keep watching & update if I see more references.

Also the Anne Onedin has sails, but the Golden Nugget was designed by Albert NOT to carry sail, the two masts just for hoisting cargo S2N?. The model he showed in series 2 also shows up on the table at the launching ceremony of the Anne Onedin in S3N1 but we only see the hull of the actual ship during the launching so it isn't obvious until later episodes that the actual ship is different from Albert's design and the model.

> —– Original Message —–
> From: "galacticprobe" <LambuLambu@…>
> To: <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 7:32 AM
> Subject: [shiponedingroup] Steamship Anne Onedin
>
> > Greetings, All,
> >
> > I've been slowly catching myself up on the 'Onedin Line' episodes. I'm
> > just getting into Series 7 and James Onedin is having difficulties
> > because – as mentioned in the dialogue several times – he "has no
> > steamships".
> >
> > Have I missed something in a previous series? In Series 5 he still has the
> > Anne Onedin. (He sells her in one episode for 5,000 pounds, then buys
> > several small schooners with the money. Then later in the same episode he
> > sells the schooners to pocket 10,000 pounds, and buys the Anne Onedin back
> > for a measly 2,000 because of a coal miner's strike.)
> >
> > I thought he still had her during Series 6. I don't remember any mention
> > of him selling her or anything happening to her, or was there, and I just
> > missed it? And if I have, if anyone knows the episode title please let me
> > know so I can watch it again (and this time pay closer attention).
> >
> > Dino.

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[galacticprobe]

Well, after plowing the net with every combination of the words I could think of, I finally found this: http://www.worldcat.org/title/running-tide/oclc/36057253. Don't know if that will be of much help as it's a VHS format, and only 55 minutes (which may cover the first 5 installments), and VHS players are hard to come by these days.

Anyone else have any luck finding something? (No luck on Amazon or ebay… yet.)

Dino.

—–Original Message—–
From: leebonnifield <lee78@localnet.com>
To: shiponedingroup <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:53 pm
Subject: [shiponedingroup] The Running Tide 10 minute filler after 1977 PBS broadcast of OL

(thread was "I'm new here")

On 4/23/2013 12:34 PM, LambuLambu@aol.com wrote:
> Wow! No PBS channel I could get aired 'The Onedin Line', much less 'The
> Running Tide' (which sounds like some episodes I'd love to get copies
> of!).

I have retrieved 8 of them so far from the old 6-hour VHS copies of the older reel-to-reel recordings.

The Running Tide 1 sails & ships.wmv 56,617,094
The Running Tide 2 navigation.wmv 52,264,818
The Running Tide 3 superstition.wmv 48,952,614
The Running Tide 4 arts.wmv 44,848,350
The Running Tide 5 crimping.wmv 46,112,428
The Running Tide 6 steam.wmv 49,912,668
The Running Tide 7 railroads.wmv 34,575,726
The Running Tide 8 women.wmv 36,975,870
9 piracy
10 luxury steamers
11 seamens' duties
12 slave trade
13 medicine
14 US Civil War
15 sea chanties

They are pretty poor technically, some with two sorts of tracking noise and muffled audio, #9 may be too jittery to bother with. # 10-15 I haven't attempted yet. For #1-8 I've made 640×480 WMVs, about 45 meg each for 10 minutes. The narration is the important part, the video is mostly pans and zooms of drawings. A few of my copies came out good. I have not searched to see if they are available in a DVD format, no doubt that would be better quality than my 3rd gen copies. There are no titles except "…the Running tide…" and end credits say only

Produced by WYES New Orleans
for SECA
Southern Educational Communications Association

I do recommend their content. Please say so if anybody finds commercially available copies. I probably could upload the ones I have.

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[galacticprobe]

No language diving nations here, my friend.

According to the extensive research in the book "The World of The Onedin Line" (copyright 1977, Alison McLeay), in 1976 the Charlotte Rhodes was sold to new Dutch owners. At this point due to her age she needed extensive maintenance to keep her seaworthy, and her owner (Captain James "Mac" Mackreth) was getting on in years and so decided to sell her.

Here (http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=596439) is a photo of her in port in Medemblik, Netherlands, in October 1979 (still afloat and intact). Charlotte Rhodes was sadly destroyed by arson in Amsterdam some months later in 1980.

The thing that irks me is that now there are some sites out there touting a schooner called the Kathleen and May – which bears a striking resemblance to the Charlotte Rhodes, but is a good 30 feet shorter – as having been the schooner used in the series to portray the Charlotte Rhodes (when the Charlotte Rhodes clearly portrayed herself). And while she may be about as old as Charlotte Rhodes was, K&M was out of service from 1968 until 1998: in a dreadful state of disrepair in 1968, acquired by the Maritime Trust in 1970 (who failed to raise the money to restore her), then into the hands of Steve Clarke who bought her and finished the restoration work. And nowhere in her history does it say that K&M was in service in the 1970s, or used in any TV or film work during the '70s decade (http://www.kathleenandmay.co.uk/history.html).

I've contacted most of those sites and provided them with the above info, thinking they might not want to be putting out false info (phrasing it as "so you have this info for when you update your site"). I received e-mails profusely thanking me as they were indeed about to update their sites. To this day they are still putting out that incorrect info. (I hate sites like that.)

Dino.

—–Original Message—–
From: R <advcour@btinternet.com>
To: shiponedingroup <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:17 pm
Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] I'm new here

Was it Winston Churchill who said something along the lines of 'Two nations divided by a common language'?

Charlotte Rhodes disappeared because she caught fire. Funnily enough catching fire also played a part in Soren Larsen appearing as she was bought as a burnt out insurance salvage write-off for very little money, the owners got her rigged and sailing, they then landed the BBC work which allowed them to refit her fully although we did buy two Portapotti loos for the ladies to use, they weren't too keen to use the ships 'Gludge', a portable shed with galvanized funnel leading overboard and a bucket with rope to provide the flush.

— On Tue, 23/4/13, LambuLambu@aol.com <LambuLambu@aol.com> wrote:

From: LambuLambu@aol.com <LambuLambu@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] I'm new here
To: shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 23 April, 2013, 17:34

Wow! No PBS channel I could get aired 'The Onedin Line', much less 'The Running Tide' (which sounds like some episodes I'd love to get copies of!). I was able to see TOL (several series behind what was current) in 1979-1980 on Channel 9 (WOR it was then, not WWOR like now) in New York City. They stopped airing episodes after "A Proposal of Marriage" (Series 3, Episode 9), and I thought that was the end until I found this great Group, and a few other sites dedicated to the Series.

And in my quest for TOL knowledge I stumbled across a Tall ship forum (I don't think it exists anymore), but on there I found a pen pal who sailed aboard the Charlotte Rhodes in 1975-76 before she was sold (which is why she is only mentioned, but never seen in the Series again in anything other than stock footage of her underway). I also became pen pals with Michael Billington (about TOL as well as 'UFO') before he passed away. He was a great guy who seemed to love talking (e-mailing?) with fans of both shows.

So welcome aboard! Things are usually quiet here, but when discussions get going they're very interesting and quite a few members get involved. And I do have a question that no one has been able to answer yet: maybe I missed it when watching my way through the entire Series, but at some point in Series 7 or 8, it's mentioned that James Onedin has no steamships, yet I can't remember any mention in a previous series where there's mention of him permanently selling the Anne Onedin.

I know he lost her when Jack Frazer sold her and she was renamed Scotch Lass, but then James regained possession of her (in "A Proposal of Marriage" via salvage rights) and renamed her Anne Onedin again. Then he sold her for 5,000 pounds (I forget the episode's title), used that money to buy several small schooners, then turned around and sold the schooners during the coal miners' strike making 10 thousand pounds on the deal, and bought back the Anne Onedin for only 2,000 pounds.

That was the last I knew of James doing any selling of her, and he still had her at the end of Series 6. So, was there something I missed that left him without the Anne Onedin in Series 7 and 8?

Dino.

—–Original Message—–
From: leebonnifield <lee78@localnet.com>
To: shiponedingroup <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:56 am
Subject: [shiponedingroup] I'm new here

I'm glad to see other people are as impressed with The Onedin Line as I have been!

I've read all the messages and hope to reply to some. After seeing the enthusiasm and dedication of list members trying to get DVDs of the complete series I started skipping those messages about availability — I guess everybody has sources now. I just bought the 91 episode 32 DVD Region 1 set from sir_Arlen

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ONEDIN-LINE-32-DVDs-Region-1-complete-8-series-/200908674584?pt=US_DVD_HD_DVD_Blu_ray&hash=item2ec7171618

I think that's a good value at $127 + $3 postage but ask about the clipped end credits.

I first saw OL about 1977 when PBS broadcast series 1 & 2 in the US. VCR's didn't exist then but I was such a video enthusiast I'd bought a reel-to-reel color video tape recorder, so I was able to record those episodes and I watched them so many times I practically had them memorized. PBS followed the 50 minute episodes with a 10 minute feature "The Running Tide", which was a short historical documentary about seafaring. The topic was often related to a theme of the OL episode.

When Anne died I thought that was a final end. PBS stopped broadcasting the series ~1978, I assumed that was the end of the series. When I bought a VCR in 1981 I copied my OL reel tapes to VHS and kept re-watching them. Years later in a library glancing at an Australian newspaper I was thrilled to notice the TV listings — they were getting series 5!

Then I think it was the Arts & Entertainment channel about 1990 where I got series 5-8 on VHS, missing only the first few episodes of series 7. Recently I tried copying my 30 year old VHS cassettes to DVD and realized how crummy my old VHS cassettes are. I still may try to recover "The Running Tide" (15 different topics), I thought they were very well done too,

I started shopping for DVDs and quickly found the set above. Now I've seen series 3-4 for the first time and watched the whole series twice! So I may remember answers to some questions and if I think of questions I bet somebody out there has recently watched the relevant episodes.

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[galacticprobe]

Wow! No PBS channel I could get aired 'The Onedin Line', much less 'The Running Tide' (which sounds like some episodes I'd love to get copies of!). I was able to see TOL (several series behind what was current) in 1979-1980 on Channel 9 (WOR it was then, not WWOR like now) in New York City. They stopped airing episodes after "A Proposal of Marriage" (Series 3, Episode 9), and I thought that was the end until I found this great Group, and a few other sites dedicated to the Series.

And in my quest for TOL knowledge I stumbled across a Tall ship forum (I don't think it exists anymore), but on there I found a pen pal who sailed aboard the Charlotte Rhodes in 1975-76 before she was sold (which is why she is only mentioned, but never seen in the Series again in anything other than stock footage of her underway). I also became pen pals with Michael Billington (about TOL as well as 'UFO') before he passed away. He was a great guy who seemed to love talking (e-mailing?) with fans of both shows.

So welcome aboard! Things are usually quiet here, but when discussions get going they're very interesting and quite a few members get involved. And I do have a question that no one has been able to answer yet: maybe I missed it when watching my way through the entire Series, but at some point in Series 7 or 8, it's mentioned that James Onedin has no steamships, yet I can't remember any mention in a previous series where there's mention of him permanently selling the Anne Onedin.

I know he lost her when Jack Frazer sold her and she was renamed Scotch Lass, but then James regained possession of her (in "A Proposal of Marriage" via salvage rights) and renamed her Anne Onedin again. Then he sold her for 5,000 pounds (I forget the episode's title), used that money to buy several small schooners, then turned around and sold the schooners during the coal miners' strike making 10 thousand pounds on the deal, and bought back the Anne Onedin for only 2,000 pounds.

That was the last I knew of James doing any selling of her, and he still had her at the end of Series 6. So, was there something I missed that left him without the Anne Onedin in Series 7 and 8?

Dino.

—–Original Message—–
From: leebonnifield <lee78@localnet.com>
To: shiponedingroup <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:56 am
Subject: [shiponedingroup] I'm new here

I'm glad to see other people are as impressed with The Onedin Line as I have been!

I've read all the messages and hope to reply to some. After seeing the enthusiasm and dedication of list members trying to get DVDs of the complete series I started skipping those messages about availability — I guess everybody has sources now. I just bought the 91 episode 32 DVD Region 1 set from sir_Arlen

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ONEDIN-LINE-32-DVDs-Region-1-complete-8-series-/200908674584?pt=US_DVD_HD_DVD_Blu_ray&hash=item2ec7171618

I think that's a good value at $127 + $3 postage but ask about the clipped end credits.

I first saw OL about 1977 when PBS broadcast series 1 & 2 in the US. VCR's didn't exist then but I was such a video enthusiast I'd bought a reel-to-reel color video tape recorder, so I was able to record those episodes and I watched them so many times I practically had them memorized. PBS followed the 50 minute episodes with a 10 minute feature "The Running Tide", which was a short historical documentary about seafaring. The topic was often related to a theme of the OL episode.

When Anne died I thought that was a final end. PBS stopped broadcasting the series ~1978, I assumed that was the end of the series. When I bought a VCR in 1981 I copied my OL reel tapes to VHS and kept re-watching them. Years later in a library glancing at an Australian newspaper I was thrilled to notice the TV listings — they were getting series 5!

Then I think it was the Arts & Entertainment channel about 1990 where I got series 5-8 on VHS, missing only the first few episodes of series 7. Recently I tried copying my 30 year old VHS cassettes to DVD and realized how crummy my old VHS cassettes are. I still may try to recover "The Running Tide" (15 different topics), I thought they were very well done too,

I started shopping for DVDs and quickly found the set above. Now I've seen series 3-4 for the first time and watched the whole series twice! So I may remember answers to some questions and if I think of questions I bet somebody out there has recently watched the relevant episodes.

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[galacticprobe]

I know Linda. She didn't and wouldn't do this intentionally.

Dino.

—–Original Message—–
From: LambuLambu <LambuLambu@aol.com>
To: shiponedingroup <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 10:47 am
Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] linda huthmaker – VIRUS ALERT

If anyone has picked up this virus, if you have your antivirus defs up to date, try rebooting your computer in SAFE MODE, and then run the antivirus program.

SAFE MODE usually stops things before the virus has a chance to activate itself – only the essentials running – so the antivirus has a better chance of finding the virus and getting rid of it because the virus is still inactive and can't use whatever it does to hide.

Dino.

—–Original Message—–
From: Chris J Brady chrisjbrady@yahoo.com>
To: YUCAIPAmd YUCAIPAmd@aol.com>; bastet1958 bastet1958@yahoo.com>; shiponedingroup shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>; ddslawson ddslawson@msn.com>; JPdri530 JPdri530@aol.com>; edsales edsales@education-ecommerce.com>; Jenniesue27 Jenniesue27@aol.com>; luann7777 luann7777@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 6:37 am
Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] linda huthmaker – VIRUS ALERT

DO NOT CLICK ON THE LINK – IT WILL TAKE YOU TO A ROGUE WEB PAGE THAT WILL PUT A VIRUS ONTO YOUR COMPUTER. THE ORIGINAL SENDER HAS THIS VIRUS. ITS IS A PIECE OF ROGUE XML / JAVASCRIPT AND CANNOT BE REMOVED USING NORMAL MEANS. VIRUS PROTECTION APPS WILL NOT HELP. IT HAS HACKED THE SENDER'S CONTACT LIST ON YAHOO. CHANGING THE YAHOO PASSWORD WILL NOT WORK. IT WILL CONTINUE TO SEND OUT ROGUE EMAILS UNTIL IT HAS BEEN REMOVED. CJB.

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[galacticprobe]

If anyone has picked up this virus, if you have your antivirus defs up to date, try rebooting your computer in SAFE MODE, and then run the antivirus program.

SAFE MODE usually stops things before the virus has a chance to activate itself – only the essentials running – so the antivirus has a better chance of finding the virus and getting rid of it because the virus is still inactive and can't use whatever it does to hide.

Dino.

—–Original Message—–
From: Chris J Brady <chrisjbrady@yahoo.com>
To: YUCAIPAmd <YUCAIPAmd@aol.com>; bastet1958 <bastet1958@yahoo.com>; shiponedingroup <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>; ddslawson <ddslawson@msn.com>; JPdri530 <JPdri530@aol.com>; edsales <edsales@education-ecommerce.com>; Jenniesue27 <Jenniesue27@aol.com>; luann7777 <luann7777@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, Feb 25, 2013 6:37 am
Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] linda huthmaker – VIRUS ALERT

DO NOT CLICK ON THE LINK – IT WILL TAKE YOU TO A ROGUE WEB PAGE THAT WILL PUT A VIRUS ONTO YOUR COMPUTER. THE ORIGINAL SENDER HAS THIS VIRUS. ITS IS A PIECE OF ROGUE XML / JAVASCRIPT AND CANNOT BE REMOVED USING NORMAL MEANS. VIRUS PROTECTION APPS WILL NOT HELP. IT HAS HACKED THE SENDER'S CONTACT LIST ON YAHOO. CHANGING THE YAHOO PASSWORD WILL NOT WORK. IT WILL CONTINUE TO SEND OUT ROGUE EMAILS UNTIL IT HAS BEEN REMOVED. CJB.

— On Mon, 25/2/13, linda huthmaker lindaannhuthmaker@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: linda huthmaker lindaannhuthmaker@yahoo.com>
Subject: [shiponedingroup] linda huthmaker
To: "YUCAIPAmd" YUCAIPAmd@aol.com>, "bastet1958" bastet1958@yahoo.com>, "shiponedingroup" shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>, "ddslawson" ddslawson@msn.com>, "JPdri530" JPdri530@aol.com>, "edsales" edsales@education-ecommerce.com>, "Jenniesue27" Jenniesue27@aol.com>, "luann7777" luann7777@yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, 25 February, 2013, 11:05

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[galacticprobe]

I don't blame them. The fracking Paparazzi would be all over the place!

Dino.

—–Original Message—–
From: Marianne GS <marianne@gilmore-stallybrass.eu>
To: shiponedingroup <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:45 am
Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] Peter Gilmore funeral/memeorial service

No,everything is kept secret.

Maybe after the memorial service there will be some news but the family wants to
keep everything private at the moment.

Marianne

On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:40 AM, vivdodd456@btinternet.com wrote:

> Does anyone know where/if Peter's funeral service has taken place?
>

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[galacticprobe]

I know this is off-topic, but there may be parties interested in this one. As is typical with NBC (the No Brain Cells network), who now owns the SyFy Channel, they have what could be a good thing that they're setting up for failure.

As often as I watch that channel I have never seen one ad for it, but tonight (Feb 10) at 8pm US Eastern Time SyFy is airing 'Battlestar Galactica: Blood and Chrome'. At first, in spite of fans' demand for it, SyFy said they were not going ahead with this pilot even though it had already been filmed. The producers then put it up on Youtube and it's gotten millions of hits. So during SyFy's bit 20th Anniversary Special a few months ago they made a big deal of mentioning "upcoming works", and including 'Blood and Chrome' amongst them (though there was no mention of when it would air).

So, in spite of the demand, I think SyFy (or NBC) is going to air the pilot without advertising it so they could say "Oh, look, almost no one watched it. Horrible ratings. No series. Sorry, fans." (Fox was almost as bad with the 'Doctor Who' TV Movie in 1996.)

So let the word get out: Tonight, 8pm US EST on SyFy, 'Battlestar Galactica: Blood and Chrome'. Hopefully enough people will watch it that it gets a chance at a series.

Dino.

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[galacticprobe]

This is indeed a very sad day, no doubt for more than just Onedin Line fans. Mr. Gilmore was a very fine actor and will be sincerely missed.

Dino.

—–Original Message—–
From: jaas08 <marianne@gilmore-stallybrass.eu>
To: shiponedingroup <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 6, 2013 5:33 pm
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Obituary Peter Gilmore

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2013/feb/06/peter-gilmore?INTCMP=SRCH

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[galacticprobe]

Is Katy a member? Her e-mail may have been hacked. It's been happening a lot lately and many of our friends, including my son, have had their Yahoo e-mail accounts hacked. In my son's case he reported it to Yahoo and they were able to trace it and delete the hacker's account.

Dino.

—–Original Message—–
From: Chris J Brady <chrisjbrady@yahoo.com>
To: earthhwitchc <earthhwitchc@gmial.com>; nathalie.bonne <nathalie.bonne@yahoo.co.uk>; shiponedingroup <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>; emma_paul <emma_paul@onetel.com>; emmma_paul <emmma_paul@onetel.com>; starkebert <starkebert@hotmail.com>; emma_paul <emma_paul@ontel.com>; justjoyce1 <justjoyce1@xtra.co.nz>
Sent: Fri, Feb 1, 2013 7:02 pm
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Re: VIRUS aLERT

DON'T CLICK ON THE LINK – ITS A VIRUS. CJB

— On Fri, 1/2/13, katy richards katyrichards72@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

From: katy richards katyrichards72@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Hi!!!

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