[liamegan2000]

If you have the URL of that site (the www. address) it may be possible to
find it here

"30 billion web pages archived from 1996 to a few months ago."
http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

Not perfect, but I found a few old pages I thought had gone forever. (Just
shows an old website never dies, it does not tend to fade away either).

If you do have the url I would be interested in taking a look, there may be
some useful info there.

Bill.

—– Original Message —–
From: "Diana" <moonroll@ntlworld.com>
To: <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 2:09 PM
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Onedin Line Website

<snip> I also exchanged a number of e-mails with the site owner,
> Gemma during 2002. There was a problem with something illegal on the
> site and it was closed down by BT just over a year ago I think. When
> I last heard from Gemma in February/March this year she said the site
> was in the process of being set up with another Internet provider and
> that she hoped to have it up not long after Easter. But I haven't
> heard from her since and no sign of her website unfortunately …..
</snip>

[liamegan2000]

Erika,

Welcome, glad you found us all here.

I actually have every episode on VHS tape, this amounts to about 16
cassettes. Many of the episodes were at the time recorded using lp rather
than sp, to conserve tape as the cassettes were quite expensive at the time.
This means the quality is not very good on some of the tapes but they are
"watchable".

I would like to be able to make copies of any or all of these available to
everyone on this list if they wanted them but this is not really feasible
because of the sheer number of episodes and of course it would be illegal
under copyright laws.

This is a shame, because unless one of the digital services decides to
repeat the whole series it is unlikely they will be available again.

Best wishes for the forthcoming Christmas and New Year celebrations.

Bill.

—– Original Message —–
From: "bastet1958" <erwinort@web.de>
To: <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 1:41 PM
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Hello

> Hello everybody,
> I joined this group recently and I would like to introduce myself.
> My name is Erika and I live in the south of Germany. I have been an
> Onedin Line fan for over 30 years now. It has fascinated me from the
> beginning, when I was a girl of 14, but even now, as a woman in her
> midforties, the series has the same thrill for me. I think it's the
> blend of fact and fiction, of adventure and romance, of good script
> and excellent acting which makes the series so outstanding and unique.
> The first episode of the Onedin Line ever shown in Germany was
> broadcast by Bavarian television on Oct. 25th, 1972.I still remember
> it well; we only had a black-and-white screen then. In Germany, the
> Onedin Line ran on the regional channels, not the federal ones. This
> meant that there was only little information about it in the
> magazines. I collected every litle scrap I could find, but all in all
> it was not much. So I was delighted when finally, nearly 30 years
> after its start, I found information on my favourite series in the
> internet! In fact, I've learned more about the Onedin Line in the
> past 3 years than in the 25 years before!
> In 2001, I discovered the "inofficial website of the Onedin Line". I
> thought it was excellent and contacted its creator, a young Cambridge
> student. We exchanged several e-mails, and the young lady was very
> kind and knowledgeable. Then suddenly, in Oct. 2002, the site
> vanished from the web. I tried to contact her by e-mail and even by
> letter, but got no replies. Does anyone know what has happened to the
> website or to the girl who created it?
> I haven't seen the whole of the Onedin Line. The last thing I
> remember was that both Letty and Charlotte were pregnant. So if
> somebody could give me a rough outline how the story continued to its
> very end, I would be most grateful.
> Now I am looking forward to Dec 21st, when the German channel NDR 3
> will start series 1 of the Onedin Line. They have planned to show
> only the first 6 episodes. I hope this is a test, just to see if the
> series still appeals to the public, and more will follow in the
> future.
> So much for today,
> hoping to hear from many members of this group,
> Erika

[liamegan2000]

The Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra 45 rpm single titled "Theme From 'The
Onedin Line' (Decca F 13259)" reached its highest position, number 15, in
the UK charts, on the 18th December 1971.

It remained in the charts for 14 weeks. A search in Google would probably
find this recording from one of the specialist record stockists.

Bill

—– Original Message —–
From: "Diana" <moonroll@ntlworld.com>
To: <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 9:41 PM
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Music

Brian,
In response to your message …..

I would imagine the Decca CD you have may well be the original
recording that was later used for the series. Anthony Isaacs adapted
the music specifically for the series but only part of the adagio was
used as "The Onedin Line theme". This is what was released
as a
single and from memory it lasts three to four minutes.

By single I mean a 45 on vinyl. The single entered the pop charts.
I know it got into the Top Twenty and it might even have got into the
Top Ten. I can very vaguely recall the record being played on Top of
the Pops! I think a film of sailing ships and the sea was used – it
might even have been an extended version of that used at the
beginning and end of each episode .. but it's so long ago now
that
I'm not at all sure about this.

Funnily enough, only on Saturday I found an article from the Daily
Mirror dated 3 December 1971 saying "The BBC are being inundated
with
hundreds of requests for the name of the theme music to their tall
ships saga The Onedin Line .. it is proving such a hit that a
special
single disc of the TV music is being issued today by Decca.

Hope this answers your questions.

Diana

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[liamegan2000]

Hi there, Brenton Welcome!

Have to agree with you about the series, I doubt we will see anything as
well made again.

There is some interesting info in the file area of this group about the
series:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shiponedingroup/

Meanwhile a little question of my own. Can anyone who has DVD of the series
tell me the episodes list on the DVD version, and if they are edited
together or are in separate episodes. I have looked around sites like Amazon
etc and I can't quite figure out what you actually get.

It would seem there is a 2 DVD available, I can play DVDs from any region so
what I am looking for is (preferably the episodes version) at the best price
with the most material on them.

TIA Bill.

—– Original Message —–
From: "Brenton" <brenton_love@biomet.co.nz>
To: <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:19 PM
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Hi

>
> Hi there a big hello from down here in New Zealand, just joined
> yesterday, glad to see there is such interest in one one the best
> period dramas ever made!
>
>
>
>
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[liamegan2000]

I have done a few searches into the back ground of Cyril Abraham,
there does not seem to be a lot about him apart from some stuff about
his scriptwriting activities.

I see to vaguely recall listening to a radio interview with the
author of the Onedin Line books on which the TV series was based.

This was many years ago, and of course my recollection is now a bit
sketchy. The theme of this was about how he thought up the plot and
overall story, how the name "Onedin" came about.

I seem to think that he was either at one time a bus driver in
Liverpool? And that the ideas came to him while driving around the
city about what dramas history had played out. The name "Onedin came
from some destination of the bus. (Or it was at least something to do
with the destinations displayed on the busses).

The story of the family had been drafted right up to modern times
(then the 1970s) but only a few of the early stories were published
in book form. I presume these drafts exist somewhere.

Of course I could be entirely wrong about this, but it would be
interesting to know for sure. I hope someone might know on here.

As an historical aside, there is a real story of a character similar
to James Onedin and from about the same era too. A little information
here:

http://www.theheritagetrail.co.uk/notable%20houses/the_grove.htm

Bill.

[liamegan2000]

I got some more info on this from Maija (thank you)

*************
The young woman, in white dress, above Charlotte is the actress, who
comforted Samuel called Helen Doyle (real name Jeananne Crowley)and
on her right is her father Fergus Doyle (T.P. McKenna). Above
Elizabeth Seth Burgess (Michael Walker) and the tall man above Mrs.
Gibson is Carles Marston (Maurice Colbourne).
*************

I'll see if the yahoo file area will allow a html page with the text as a
footnote and photo embedded sometime.

ATB Bill.

—– Original Message —–
From: "Bill" <william.whittaker1@ntlworld.com>
To: <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 3:32 PM
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Cast and bbc production crew photo

> I don't remember exactly where I came across this photo, but it was on a
> website somewhere. I found it while doing a bit of a system clean up. It
is
> uploaded to the files area.
> File : /onedin line.jpg
> Description : Cast and production crew about 1978?
>
> You can access this file at the URL
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shiponedingroup/files/onedin%20line.jpg
>
>
> Judging by the actors it must have been from one of the later shows as
Laura
> Hartong (Charlotte Onedin) is sat next to James' left. To his right (left
as
> we look at the picture) it looks like, Mary Webster (Sarah Onedin), Jill
> Gascoine (Letty Gaunt / Onedin), Christopher Douglas (Samuel Onedin), and
> Jessica Benton (Elizabeth Onedin / Frazer / Fogarty / Lady Fogarty)
>

[liamegan2000]

Margriet,

Glad you found us here. The list has only been running for a few weeks
(thanks to Deryck for setting it up) and is doing very well so far.

If you have not already seen it check the files area of this group where
there are a few scanned articles and also some nice video stills in the
photo area.

Did you ever get a reply from Peter Gilmore and Anne Stallybrass?

Bill.

—– Original Message —–
From: "dutchmargriet" <margriet.van.dijk@planet.nl>
To: <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 3:29 PM
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Just to say hello

> Last week I discovered this group and I immediately decided to join!
> I thought it nice to introduce myself, as this is only a small
> group. As you might have figured out, I'm from Holland and I have
> been an Onedin Line fan since I was 13. Actually, the series had a
> great impact on my life. I had just started secondary school and I
> couldn't learn English quick enough, just to be able to write to
> Peter Gilmore and Anne Stallybrass. English became my favourite
> language and when I got older, England became my favourite country!
> My first school trip abroad was to London (I could have chosen Paris
> but for me the choice wasn't difficult). After I had passed my
> exams, I went to London and worked there as an au pair. I had a
> marvelous year, and it really changed my personality (before I went
> to England I was a very shy 19 year old girl from a loving but
> protective family). Since then I made many trips to England (3 times
> last year!) and ofcourse I visited Dartmouth and Exeter. I don't
> have much information for you, because it was hard to get
> information at the time the series ran in Holland. So, I am looking
> forward to finding out new facts and see photo's and articles I
> haven't seen yet!
>
> Kind regards,
> Margriet
>
>
>
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>

[liamegan2000]

> File : /Scriptwriters.doc
>Uploaded by : merligo <moonroll@ntlworld.com> >Description :

Scriptwriters

*Cyril also wrote five Onedin Line stories for Woman magazine which were
published summer 1973. A further short story appeared in the Daily Mirror
in August 1976.*

Anyone got these? If so they could be scanned and shared in the files area.

Bill.

[liamegan2000]

That is interesting, because I think I can remember something about the
original Drama Playhouse version, which I actually saw on TV. The memory is
very vague now but……

In this James had the idea of sending back the empty wine casks at full
freightage charge as sole agent but carrying the wine free of charge from
Portugal. He got the idea after seeing the broken vinegar cask in Robert's
shop.

The difference was that in the Drama Playhouse version the trick was to
disassemble the casks into their component parts, which meant they took up
very little space and he could carry a great number making much more profit
per voyage (coopers at the other end reassembled the casks).

In the first episode version, this idea is not mentioned.

Probably more than you wanted to know!

Bill.

—– Original Message —–
From: "Diana" <moonroll@ntlworld.com>
To: <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 2:31 PM
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Drama Playhouse – Onedin Line episode

> In answer to Bill's query, I don't think I saw the Drama Playhouse
> episode when it was originally broadcast. Unfortunately, the BBC no
> longer have it in their archives. However, everything I have read
> about it indicates that the story is almost if not entirely the same
> as "The Wind Blows Free" episode one of the series. It was simply
> refilmed, though some filming from the DP version may have been
> retained i.e. some of the sea scenes.
>
> For anyone who's not aware, Sheila Allen actually played Anne
> Webster/Onedin in the Drama Playhouse version; she was then
> unavailable for the series and Anne Stallybrass was offered the
> part. No disrespect to Sheila Allen, but I can't see how anyone else
> could have made a better Anne than Anne Stallybrass!
>
> The rest of the cast were the same in the "pilot" and episode one.
> However, Peter Graham Scott, who produced series one to three, was
> not the producer of the Drama Playhouse pilot, and I think there was
> a different director as well.
>
> For more info on Drama Playhouse (both Onedin Line episode and other
> programmes), visit http://www.the-mausoleum-club.org.uk and checkout
> the Drama Playhouse area. You can find some Radio Times
> articles/pictures re the episode here.
>
> If anyone else has any more queries, feel free to post them on the
> site or e-mail me and I'll do my best to answer.
>
> Regards to all my shipmates.
>
> Diana
>
>
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[liamegan2000]

Maija,

A big welcome.

The cast list (of the whole series, not just a particular episode) as I have
it at the moment is:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/william.whittaker1/ship.htm

If anyone knows some more, post them on this list and I will add them to my
page.

Bill.

—– Original Message —–
From: "Maija Turunen" <maija.turunen@pp1.inet.fi>
To: <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 8:32 PM
Subject: [shiponedingroup] hello

[liamegan2000]

Here in the UK it would seem we may be limited to the "merged" version, the
local public library has these VHS versions, and in my area a DVD set is
supposed to be available for loan soon. Before I buy anything I will see
what episodes are included and if they are cut and run into each other or
are in original episode order.

Naturally I would not try to copy these (!)

😉

Bill.

—– Original Message —–
From: "merligo" <moonroll@ntlworld.com>
To: <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 2:45 PM
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Onedin DVDs

> I have purchased both the BFS and Playback DVDs. The picture quality
> on both is good but the big advantage of the BFS ones is that the
> episodes are complete whereas the Playback ones are the same as the
> BBC videos i.e. they are cut and run into each other.

[liamegan2000]

—– Original Message —–
From: "merligo" <moonroll@ntlworld.com>
To: <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 2:32 PM
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Hi

> Thanks for inviting me to join the Group.
>
> I LOVE Onedin Line and am a great fan of Anne Stallybrass & Peter
> Gilmore.

The cast list over the years the show was aired has many famous (now) names,
just from memory and without thinking too much about it, we have Jane
Semour, John Thaw, Michael Billington, Windsor Davies, there are others.
Quite a few careers were "launched" (nice tie to shipping). There were also
of course actors of long standing, such as the excellent James Hayter
(Captain Webster).

Probably the biggest star of this outstanding series at the time was Jessica
Benton (Elizabeth).

Most accounts of the series one reads now seem to barely mention her. I
believe this is mainly because she decided to withdraw from the acting
profession and the public eye.

The last I heard of her was that she married a photographer called Charles
Waite and now lives in Dorset. She remained good friends with other cast
members particularly Howard Lang until his death (Baines) and Peter Gilmor
(James).

Jessica was a "household name" over the years the series ran in the UK a big
star at the time, her fans who I am one, missed those outstanding
performances and wonder what might have been if she had continued her
career.

Michael Billington has a website:
http://www.michaelbillington.org.uk/
and seems to be quite approachable, perhaps the list owner might like to
invite him to join our group?

I have every copy of the show on tape (I think 91). Some I recorded when
originally aired, some when repeated on the BBC Circa1984 and the rest from
UK Gold some years ago. (Unfortunately the image quality of a lot of these
while "watchable" is not very good and of course the tapes are getting quite
old now, so I am hoping for repeats on a digital service sometime.

I would like yourself welcome the whole series on DVD but I suspect there
might be some rights problems . Also just how good is the present offering
on DVD?

If I can help with any information let me know,

Bill.

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