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SERIES 3. EPISODE 1 The ship Devils.
The steamship `Anne Onedin' is launched by Elizabeth and Robert. Albert Frazer has gone to the Argentine to make his fortune and Jack Frazer wants paying for the ship his yard has built.
We see a 10 year old William as we are told that James is busy making as much money as he can from buying cheap, old sailing ships and working them. Jack Frazer urges Elizabeth and Robert to get out whilst shares in the Onedin Line are worth something.
James is still in mourning 6 months after Anne's death in childbirth and is aboard ship with a young Leonora Biddulph and her coal mine owner/ merchant father who finds her a lively handful. James saves Leonora from being injured by some swinging rigging and it is obvious from the look and the thanks that she gives him that she is infatuated by him.
Biddulph tries to console James as he too has lost a beloved wife. He feels he can do this as he tells James that Leonora has a great admiration for him. `She's a child'- James dismisses Biddulph's news and also his sympathy.
Daniel Foggarty and Emma Callon have an unhappy marriage and the Callon company is losing money `you're a failure at business Daniel'.
Baby Charlotte and Captain Webster appear to be the responsibilities of Robert and Sarah and James did not even attend his daughter's christening. Robert has ambitions to be a Liverpool Liberal councillor.
Leonora begins her plan of action to gain James' notice and approval by asking Capt Baines what would please him most. Biddulph offers James the contract to carry his coal because Leonora asked him to.
Emma Foggarty goes weeping to Jack Frazer, pleading with him to run her company for half the profits he settles for 51% – The Frazer Shipping Company. Daniel goes back to sea.
Mr Samuel Plimsol is photographing all ships to have proof of overloading and support his campaign to help sailors.
Elizabeth is at James' house with a letter from Albert saying he is developing the means of shipping refrigerated meat. James says of Albert ` he's not the man I took him for'. Elizabeth replies `nor are you these days James. You're not one half the man you once were you've lost your spirit'.
James and Frazer argue over the costs of the Anne Onedin and they both attend a dinner at Robert's where Mr Plimsol is guest of honour and expands on his plans to protect sailors. Leonora, there with her father, tries to attract James' attention, without success.
Foggarty is captain of a ship chartered by James that sinks and he maintains that it had been patched up cheaply for sea with sham bolts (ship devils) for the Frazer yard and James to make quick profits. Biddulph is unsettled by this and states that the coal contract cannot be given to James.
Plimsol challenges Frazer about the quality of the shipyards work. There is an enquiry which clears James and Frazer of any wrong doing.
Eliz refuses Albert's request to join him in the Argentine which James agrees with as he thinks she should come and live with him. Elizabeth refuses to be James `housekeeper' as Leonora arrives and she says `should you wish to apply for the position of unpaid housekeeper and drudge, I'm sure my brother will give you a sympathetic hearing'. Leonora `oh I should love to apply. I'm a most excellent cook' James `Miss Biddulph, my sister has a somewhat acid sense of humour a family trait'. As a possible hint of what is to come Leonora says that her father has been persuaded to change his mind and allow James the coal contract `persuaded? By whom?' James asks. Leonora `I always get my own way Mr Onedin' `Oh aye?' James.Script by Cyril Abraham.
Well unless anyone has an objection I'd say that a good effort and will go on the site.What name should I use as the author of this description?
Please feel free to do more.
And for general information for everyone, the descriptions should be your own effort, no copy and pastes!
Bill.
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From: vivdodd456@btinternet.com
To: shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:57 PM
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Programme description for perusal – hope it can be used and I can do some more?SERIES 3. EPISODE 1 The ship Devils.
The steamship `Anne Onedin' is launched by Elizabeth and Robert. Albert Frazer has gone to the Argentine to make his fortune and Jack Frazer wants paying for the ship his yard has built.
We see a 10 year old William as we are told that James is busy making as much money as he can from buying cheap, old sailing ships and working them. Jack Frazer urges Elizabeth and Robert to get out whilst shares in the Onedin Line are worth something.
James is still in mourning 6 months after Anne's death in childbirth and is aboard ship with a young Leonora Biddulph and her coal mine owner/ merchant father who finds her a lively handful. James saves Leonora from being injured by some swinging rigging and it is obvious from the look and the thanks that she gives him that she is infatuated by him.
Biddulph tries to console James as he too has lost a beloved wife. He feels he can do this as he tells James that Leonora has a great admiration for him. `She's a child'- James dismisses Biddulph's news and also his sympathy.
Daniel Foggarty and Emma Callon have an unhappy marriage and the Callon company is losing money – `you're a failure at business Daniel'.
Baby Charlotte and Captain Webster appear to be the responsibilities of Robert and Sarah and James did not even attend his daughter's christening. Robert has ambitions to be a Liverpool Liberal councillor.
Leonora begins her plan of action to gain James' notice and approval by asking Capt Baines what would please him most. Biddulph offers James the contract to carry his coal because Leonora asked him to.
Emma Foggarty goes weeping to Jack Frazer, pleading with him to run her company for half the profits – he settles for 51% – The Frazer Shipping Company. Daniel goes back to sea.
Mr Samuel Plimsol is photographing all ships to have proof of overloading and support his campaign to help sailors.
Elizabeth is at James' house with a letter from Albert saying he is developing the means of shipping refrigerated meat. James says of Albert ` he's not the man I took him for'. Elizabeth replies `nor are you these days James. You're not one half the man you once were – you've lost your spirit'.
James and Frazer argue over the costs of the Anne Onedin and they both attend a dinner at Robert's where Mr Plimsol is guest of honour and expands on his plans to protect sailors. Leonora, there with her father, tries to attract James' attention, without success.
Foggarty is captain of a ship chartered by James that sinks and he maintains that it had been patched up cheaply for sea with sham bolts (ship devils) for the Frazer yard and James to make quick profits. Biddulph is unsettled by this and states that the coal contract cannot be given to James.
Plimsol challenges Frazer about the quality of the shipyards work. There is an enquiry which clears James and Frazer of any wrong doing.
Eliz refuses Albert's request to join him in the Argentine which James agrees with as he thinks she should come and live with him. Elizabeth refuses to be James `housekeeper' as Leonora arrives and she says `should you wish to apply for the position of unpaid housekeeper and drudge, I'm sure my brother will give you a sympathetic hearing'. Leonora `oh I should love to apply. I'm a most excellent cook' James `Miss Biddulph, my sister has a somewhat acid sense of humour – a family trait'. As a possible hint of what is to come Leonora says that her father has been persuaded to change his mind and allow James the coal contract – `persuaded? By whom?' James asks. Leonora `I always get my own way Mr Onedin' `Oh aye?' James.Script by Cyril Abraham.
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author name Viv Dodd. Thanks Will write some more? It keeps me happy whilst
its snowing.________________________________
From: Bill <william.whittaker1@ntlworld.com>
To: shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 16 December, 2010 16:11:10
Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] Programme description for perusal – hope it can
be used and I can do some more?Well unless anyone has an objection I'd say that a good effort and will go on
the site.What name should I use as the author of this description?
Please feel free to do more.
And for general information for everyone, the descriptions should be your own
effort, no copy and pastes!Bill.
—– Original Message —–
From: vivdodd456@btinternet.com
To: shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:57 PM
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Programme description for perusal – hope it can be
used and I can do some more?
SERIES 3. EPISODE 1 The ship Devils.
The steamship `Anne Onedin' is launched by Elizabeth and Robert. Albert Frazer
has gone to the Argentine to make his fortune and Jack Frazer wants paying for
the ship his yard has built.
We see a 10 year old William as we are told that James is busy making as much
money as he can from buying cheap, old sailing ships and working them. Jack
Frazer urges Elizabeth and Robert to get out whilst shares in the Onedin Line
are worth something.
James is still in mourning 6 months after Anne's death in childbirth and is
aboard ship with a young Leonora Biddulph and her coal mine owner/ merchant
father who finds her a lively handful. James saves Leonora from being injured by
some swinging rigging and it is obvious from the look and the thanks that she
gives him that she is infatuated by him.
Biddulph tries to console James as he too has lost a beloved wife. He feels he
can do this as he tells James that Leonora has a great admiration for him.
`She's a child'- James dismisses Biddulph's news and also his sympathy.
Daniel Foggarty and Emma Callon have an unhappy marriage and the Callon
company is losing money – `you're a failure at business Daniel'.
Baby Charlotte and Captain Webster appear to be the responsibilities of Robert
and Sarah and James did not even attend his daughter's christening. Robert has
ambitions to be a Liverpool Liberal councillor.
Leonora begins her plan of action to gain James' notice and approval by asking
Capt Baines what would please him most. Biddulph offers James the contract to
carry his coal because Leonora asked him to.
Emma Foggarty goes weeping to Jack Frazer, pleading with him to run her
company for half the profits – he settles for 51% – The Frazer Shipping Company.
Daniel goes back to sea.
Mr Samuel Plimsol is photographing all ships to have proof of overloading and
support his campaign to help sailors.
Elizabeth is at James' house with a letter from Albert saying he is developing
the means of shipping refrigerated meat. James says of Albert ` he's not the man
I took him for'. Elizabeth replies `nor are you these days James. You're not one
half the man you once were – you've lost your spirit'.
James and Frazer argue over the costs of the Anne Onedin and they both attend
a dinner at Robert's where Mr Plimsol is guest of honour and expands on his
plans to protect sailors. Leonora, there with her father, tries to attract
James' attention, without success.
Foggarty is captain of a ship chartered by James that sinks and he maintains
that it had been patched up cheaply for sea with sham bolts (ship devils) for
the Frazer yard and James to make quick profits. Biddulph is unsettled by this
and states that the coal contract cannot be given to James.
Plimsol challenges Frazer about the quality of the shipyards work. There is an
enquiry which clears James and Frazer of any wrong doing.
Eliz refuses Albert's request to join him in the Argentine which James agrees
with as he thinks she should come and live with him. Elizabeth refuses to be
James `housekeeper' as Leonora arrives and she says `should you wish to apply
for the position of unpaid housekeeper and drudge, I'm sure my brother will give
you a sympathetic hearing'. Leonora `oh I should love to apply. I'm a most
excellent cook' James `Miss Biddulph, my sister has a somewhat acid sense of
humour – a family trait'. As a possible hint of what is to come Leonora says
that her father has been persuaded to change his mind and allow James the coal
contract – `persuaded? By whom?' James asks. Leonora `I always get my own way Mr
Onedin' `Oh aye?' James.Script by Cyril Abraham.
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Thanks for doing this…But does anyone have any idea? Why does Eliz say this about James? I dont see any sign that he's lost his spirt exactly? He is desperately unhappy about Anne's death… surely that is natural.
Any discussion?
— > Elizabeth is at James' house with a letter from Albert saying he is developing the means of shipping refrigerated meat. James says of Albert ` he's not the man I took him for'. Elizabeth replies `nor are you these days James. You're not one half the man you once were – you've lost your spirit'.
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>i don't have any exact facts to prove this with, it's just a feeling. a feeling I've always had about James and that was why he was my fav character. that under that hard surface and difficult temperament, he was as lost as anyone. and because he wasn't very influenceable and therefore could not change to become less unhappy, I pitied him quite a lot. I tend to fall for that typa guy, lol========================================
Message Received: Dec 18 2010, 03:59 PM
From: "regencylady04"
To: shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Elizabeth and James query?Thanks for doing this…
But does anyone have any idea? Why does Eliz say this about James? I dont see any sign that he's lost his spirt exactly? He is desperately unhappy about Anne's death… surely that is natural.
Any discussion?
— > Elizabeth is at James' house with a letter from Albert saying he is developing the means of shipping refrigerated meat. James says of Albert ` he's not the man I took him for'. Elizabeth replies `nor are you these days James. You're not one half the man you once were – you've lost your spirit'.
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Fine by me, it will be a day or two before I put them on the site lots of other things going on in the run up to Christmas.Bill.
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From: V DODD
To: shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] Programme description for perusal – hope it can be used and I can do some more?author name Viv Dodd. Thanks Will write some more? It keeps me happy whilst
its snowing.________________________________
From: Bill <william.whittaker1@ntlworld.com>
To: shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 16 December, 2010 16:11:10
Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] Programme description for perusal – hope it can
be used and I can do some more?Well unless anyone has an objection I'd say that a good effort and will go on
the site.What name should I use as the author of this description?
Please feel free to do more.
And for general information for everyone, the descriptions should be your own
effort, no copy and pastes!Bill.
—– Original Message —–
From: vivdodd456@btinternet.com
To: shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:57 PM
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Programme description for perusal – hope it can be
used and I can do some more?SERIES 3. EPISODE 1 The ship Devils.
The steamship `Anne Onedin' is launched by Elizabeth and Robert. Albert Frazer
has gone to the Argentine to make his fortune and Jack Frazer wants paying for
the ship his yard has built.
We see a 10 year old William as we are told that James is busy making as much
money as he can from buying cheap, old sailing ships and working them. Jack
Frazer urges Elizabeth and Robert to get out whilst shares in the Onedin Line
are worth something.
James is still in mourning 6 months after Anne's death in childbirth and is
aboard ship with a young Leonora Biddulph and her coal mine owner/ merchant
father who finds her a lively handful. James saves Leonora from being injured by
some swinging rigging and it is obvious from the look and the thanks that she
gives him that she is infatuated by him.
Biddulph tries to console James as he too has lost a beloved wife. He feels he
can do this as he tells James that Leonora has a great admiration for him.
`She's a child'- James dismisses Biddulph's news and also his sympathy.
Daniel Foggarty and Emma Callon have an unhappy marriage and the Callon
company is losing money – `you're a failure at business Daniel'.
Baby Charlotte and Captain Webster appear to be the responsibilities of Robert
and Sarah and James did not even attend his daughter's christening. Robert has
ambitions to be a Liverpool Liberal councillor.
Leonora begins her plan of action to gain James' notice and approval by asking
Capt Baines what would please him most. Biddulph offers James the contract to
carry his coal because Leonora asked him to.
Emma Foggarty goes weeping to Jack Frazer, pleading with him to run her
company for half the profits – he settles for 51% – The Frazer Shipping Company.
Daniel goes back to sea.
Mr Samuel Plimsol is photographing all ships to have proof of overloading and
support his campaign to help sailors.
Elizabeth is at James' house with a letter from Albert saying he is developing
the means of shipping refrigerated meat. James says of Albert ` he's not the man
I took him for'. Elizabeth replies `nor are you these days James. You're not one
half the man you once were – you've lost your spirit'.
James and Frazer argue over the costs of the Anne Onedin and they both attend
a dinner at Robert's where Mr Plimsol is guest of honour and expands on his
plans to protect sailors. Leonora, there with her father, tries to attract
James' attention, without success.
Foggarty is captain of a ship chartered by James that sinks and he maintains
that it had been patched up cheaply for sea with sham bolts (ship devils) for
the Frazer yard and James to make quick profits. Biddulph is unsettled by this
and states that the coal contract cannot be given to James.
Plimsol challenges Frazer about the quality of the shipyards work. There is an
enquiry which clears James and Frazer of any wrong doing.
Eliz refuses Albert's request to join him in the Argentine which James agrees
with as he thinks she should come and live with him. Elizabeth refuses to be
James `housekeeper' as Leonora arrives and she says `should you wish to apply
for the position of unpaid housekeeper and drudge, I'm sure my brother will give
you a sympathetic hearing'. Leonora `oh I should love to apply. I'm a most
excellent cook' James `Miss Biddulph, my sister has a somewhat acid sense of
humour – a family trait'. As a possible hint of what is to come Leonora says
that her father has been persuaded to change his mind and allow James the coal
contract – `persuaded? By whom?' James asks. Leonora `I always get my own way Mr
Onedin' `Oh aye?' James.Script by Cyril Abraham.
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This was only Episode 10, and actually, I believe James is unhappy about Anne's miscarriage, and the loss of what could possibly have been the heir to his shipping empire one day. That would definitely have James feeling very somber, and for a while that could give the impression that he has lost some of his spirit. Also, if I remember correctly, there was always some friction between James and Elizabeth, not always shown openly between the two, but shown as they spoke of each other to other people. (It's been a while so I could be wrong about that, but it may explain why Elizabeth was so callous in her comments.)Anne dies in the last episode of Series 2, Episode 14 "Race For Power", while actually giving birth to James' daughter, who I believe James names Anne after her (now late) mother. James was definitely saddened when Anne died as he had grown to love her very much.
Dino.
On Dec 18, 2010, at 10:59:46 AM, regencylady04 <regencylady04@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: regencylady04 <regencylady04@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Elizabeth and James query?
Date: December 18, 2010 10:59:46 AM EST
To: shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com
Thanks for doing this…But does anyone have any idea? Why does Eliz say this about James? I dont see any sign that he's lost his spirt exactly? He is desperately unhappy about Anne's death… surely that is natural.
Any discussion?
— > Elizabeth is at James' house with a letter from Albert saying he is developing the means of shipping refrigerated meat. James says of Albert ` he's not the man I took him for'. Elizabeth replies `nor are you these days James. You're not one half the man you once were – you've lost your spirit'.
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James names his daughter Charlotte, not Anne.In a message dated 12/18/2010 7:36:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
LambuLambu@aol.com writes:This was only Episode 10, and actually, I believe James is unhappy about
Anne's miscarriage, and the loss of what could possibly have been the heir
to his shipping empire one day. That would definitely have James feeling
very somber, and for a while that could give the impression that he has lost
some of his spirit. Also, if I remember correctly, there was always some
friction between James and Elizabeth, not always shown openly between the two,
but shown as they spoke of each other to other people. (It's been a while
so I could be wrong about that, but it may explain why Elizabeth was so
callous in her comments.)Anne dies in the last episode of Series 2, Episode 14 "Race For Power",
while actually giving birth to James' daughter, who I believe James names
Anne after her (now late) mother. James was definitely saddened when Anne died
as he had grown to love her very much.Dino.
On Dec 18, 2010, at 10:59:46 AM, regencylady04 <regencylady04@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:From: regencylady04 <regencylady04@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Elizabeth and James query?
Date: December 18, 2010 10:59:46 AM EST
To: shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com
Thanks for doing this…But does anyone have any idea? Why does Eliz say this about James? I dont
see any sign that he's lost his spirt exactly? He is desperately unhappy
about Anne's death… surely that is natural.Any discussion?
— > Elizabeth is at James' house with a letter from Albert saying he is
developing the means of shipping refrigerated meat. James says of Albert `
he's not the man I took him for'. Elizabeth replies `nor are you these days
James. You're not one half the man you once were – you've lost your
spirit'.> >
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AAAHH!! You are correct, sir. I do remember that now. He named his daughter after his first acquired ship, '"Charlotte" Rhodes'. It was his steamship that he was having built during one series that he was going to name the 'Anne Onedin'. (So many names, so many years gone by, not enough brain cells.)I stand corrected.
Dino.
On Dec 18, 2010, at 7:39:01 PM, sgflikchik@aol.com wrote:
From: sgflikchik@aol.com
Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] Elizabeth and James query?
Date: December 18, 2010 7:39:01 PM EST
To: shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com
James names his daughter Charlotte, not Anne.In a message dated 12/18/2010 7:36:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,�
LambuLambu@aol.com�writes:This was only Episode 10, and actually, I believe James is unhappy about�
Anne's miscarriage, and the loss of what could possibly have been the heir�
to his shipping empire one day. That would definitely have James feeling�
very somber, and for a while that could give the impression that he has lost�
some of his spirit. Also, if I remember correctly, there was always some�
friction between James and Elizabeth, not always shown openly between the two,�
but shown as they spoke of each other to other people. (It's been a while�
so I could be wrong about that, but it may explain why Elizabeth was so�
callous in her comments.)Anne dies in the last episode of Series 2, Episode 14 "Race For Power",�
while actually giving birth to James' daughter, who I believe James names�
Anne after her (now late) mother. James was definitely saddened when Anne died�
as he had grown to love her very much.Dino.
On Dec 18, 2010, at 10:59:46 AM, regencylady04 <regencylady04@yahoo.co.uk>�
wrote:From: regencylady04 <regencylady04@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Elizabeth and James query?
Date: December 18, 2010 10:59:46 AM EST
To:�shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com
Thanks for doing this…But does anyone have any idea? Why does Eliz say this about James? I dont�
see any sign that he's lost his spirt exactly? He is desperately unhappy�
about Anne's death… surely that is natural.Any discussion?
— > Elizabeth is at James' house with a letter from Albert saying he is�
developing the means of shipping refrigerated meat. James says of Albert `�
he's not the man I took him for'. Elizabeth replies `nor are you these days�
James. You're not one half the man you once were – you've lost your�
spirit'.
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That's ok. When Charolotte married Samuel Onedin, they had a daughter and
named her Anne.In a message dated 12/18/2010 7:47:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
LambuLambu@aol.com writes:AAAHH!! You are correct, sir. I do remember that now. He named his
daughter after his first acquired ship, '"Charlotte" Rhodes'. It was his steamship
that he was having built during one series that he was going to name the
'Anne Onedin'. (So many names, so many years gone by, not enough brain
cells.)I stand corrected.
Dino.
On Dec 18, 2010, at 7:39:01 PM, sgflikchik@aol.com wrote:
From: sgflikchik@aol.com
Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] Elizabeth and James query?
Date: December 18, 2010 7:39:01 PM EST
To: shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com
James names his daughter Charlotte, not Anne.In a message dated 12/18/2010 7:36:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
LambuLambu@aol.com writes:This was only Episode 10, and actually, I believe James is unhappy about
Anne's miscarriage, and the loss of what could possibly have been the
heir
to his shipping empire one day. That would definitely have James feeling
very somber, and for a while that could give the impression that he has
lost
some of his spirit. Also, if I remember correctly, there was always some
friction between James and Elizabeth, not always shown openly between the
two,
but shown as they spoke of each other to other people. (It's been a while
so I could be wrong about that, but it may explain why Elizabeth was so
callous in her comments.)Anne dies in the last episode of Series 2, Episode 14 "Race For Power",
while actually giving birth to James' daughter, who I believe James names
Anne after her (now late) mother. James was definitely saddened when Anne
died
as he had grown to love her very much.Dino.
On Dec 18, 2010, at 10:59:46 AM, regencylady04 <regencylady04@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:From: regencylady04 <regencylady04@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [shiponedingroup] Elizabeth and James query?
Date: December 18, 2010 10:59:46 AM EST
To: shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com
Thanks for doing this…But does anyone have any idea? Why does Eliz say this about James? I dont
see any sign that he's lost his spirt exactly? He is desperately unhappy
about Anne's death… surely that is natural.Any discussion?
— > Elizabeth is at James' house with a letter from Albert saying he is
developing the means of shipping refrigerated meat. James says of Albert `
he's not the man I took him for'. Elizabeth replies `nor are you these
days
James. You're not one half the man you once were – you've lost your
spirit'.
> >
>
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No Im referring to the summary of Ep 1 of the Third Series of the show which is shortly after Anne's death.— In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, sgflikchik@… wrote:
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> James names his daughter Charlotte, not Anne.
>
>
> In a message dated 12/18/2010 7:36:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> LambuLambu@… writes:
>
> This was only Episode 10, and actually, I believe James is unhappy about
> Anne's miscarriage, and the loss of what could possibly have been the heir
> to his shipping empire one day. That would definitely have James feeling
> very somber, and for a while that could give the impression that he has lost
> some of his spirit. Also, if I remember correctly, there was always some
> friction between James and Elizabeth, not always shown openly between the two,
> but shown as they spoke of each other to other people. (It's been a while
> so I could be wrong about that, but it may explain why Elizabeth was so
> callous in her comments.)
>
>I think it is more likely that the ship Charl Rhodes was named after Anne's late mother, it belonged to her father who bought it wehn he retired from the Navy.. and IIRC James didn't wnat the baby to be called Anne, because he is so upset at Anne's death…(and it woudl be confusing for audiences to have 2 Annes) so she's given hte name Charlotte after her grandmohter. Later I think it becomes a "family joke" that Charlotte is named after the ship.Regency
— In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, lambulambu <LambuLambu@…> wrote:
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> AAAHH!! You are correct, sir. I do remember that now. He named his daughter after his first acquired ship, '"Charlotte" Rhodes'. It was his steamship that he was having built during one series that he was going to name the 'Anne Onedin'. (So many names, so many years gone by, not enough brain cells.)
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> I stand corrected.
>
> Dino.
>
> On Dec 18, 2010, at 7:39:01 PM, sgflikchik@… wrote:
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> From: sgflikchik@…
> Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] Elizabeth and James query?
> Date: December 18, 2010 7:39:01 PM EST
> To: shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com
> James names his daughter Charlotte, not Anne.
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>
> In a message dated 12/18/2010 7:36:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> LambuLambu@… writes:
>
> This was only Episode 10, and actually, I believe James is unhappy about
> Anne's miscarriage, and the loss of what could possibly have been the heir
> to his shipping empire one day. That would definitely have James feeling
> very somber, and for a while that could give the impression that he has lost
> some of his spirit. Also, if I remember correctly, there was always some
> friction between James and Elizabeth, not always shown openly between the two,
> but shown as they spoke of each other to other people. (It's been a while
> so I could be wrong about that, but it may explain why Elizabeth was so
> callous in her comments.)
>
> Anne dies in the last episode of Series 2, Episode 14 "Race For Power",
> while actually giving birth to James' daughter, who I believe James names
> Anne after her (now late) mother. James was definitely saddened when Anne died
> as he had grown to love her very much.
>
> Dino.
>
> On Dec 18, 2010, at 10:59:46 AM, regencylady04 <regencylady04@…>
> wrote:
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> From: regencylady04 <regencylady04@…>
> Subject: [shiponedingroup] Elizabeth and James query?
> Date: December 18, 2010 10:59:46 AM EST
> To: shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com
> Thanks for doing this…
>
> But does anyone have any idea? Why does Eliz say this about James? I dont
> see any sign that he's lost his spirt exactly? He is desperately unhappy
> about Anne's death… surely that is natural.
>
> Any discussion?
>
> — > Elizabeth is at James' house with a letter from Albert saying he is
> developing the means of shipping refrigerated meat. James says of Albert `
> he's not the man I took him for'. Elizabeth replies `nor are you these days
> James. You're not one half the man you once were – you've lost your
> spirit'.
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>Sort of reminds one of "Doc Martin", James Onedin does; doesn't he?Dino.
In a message dated 12/19/2010 7:10:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
kilmarnock@transoradea.wanadoo.co.uk writes:i don't have any exact facts to prove this with, it's just a feeling. a
feeling I've always had about James and that was why he was my fav character.
that under that hard surface and difficult temperament, he was as lost as
anyone. and because he wasn't very influenceable and therefore could not
change to become less unhappy, I pitied him quite a lot. I tend to fall for
that typa guy, lol========================================
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