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  • in reply to: Michael Billington in The Prisoner #1558
    The UFO series is being uploaded to Rareshare.me.

    Michael Billington appeared in these before he was in Onedin line I think.

    Anyway nice to see him in another role, he is introduced in ep 04.

    S

    — In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, "samwebster2000" <samwebster2000@…> wrote:
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    > If you are into torrents UFO series has been promised as a torrent upload on rareshare.me for August in the more compact high quality MP4 format.
    >
    >
    > — In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, "LambuLambu@" <LambuLambu@> wrote:
    > >
    > > If you'd like to see a shaven Michael Billington in a larger role, then 'UFO' is a good series. He played Colonel Paul Foster. The series is available on Netflix, but sadly not for streaming; you have to select the DVDs.
    > >
    > >
    > > Dino.
    > >
    > >
    > > —–Original Message—–
    > > From: Lee Bonnifield <lee78@>
    > > To: shiponedingroup <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
    > > Sent: Sat, Jun 22, 2013 10:40 pm
    > > Subject: [shiponedingroup] Michael Billington in The Prisoner
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    > > That's our Michael Billington as "Woodland Man No. 2" in episode 10**
    > > "A Change of Mind" (1967) of "The Prisoner"?
    > >
    > > I didn't recognize him (shaven) but I see the end credits.
    > >
    > > small role as thug who attempts to bully No. 6 for being unmutual
    > >
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    > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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    >

    in reply to: Michael Billington in The Prisoner #1557
    If you are into torrents UFO series has been promised as a torrent upload on rareshare.me for August in the more compact high quality MP4 format.

    — In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, "LambuLambu@…" <LambuLambu@…> wrote:
    >
    > If you'd like to see a shaven Michael Billington in a larger role, then 'UFO' is a good series. He played Colonel Paul Foster. The series is available on Netflix, but sadly not for streaming; you have to select the DVDs.
    >
    >
    > Dino.
    >
    >
    > —–Original Message—–
    > From: Lee Bonnifield <lee78@…>
    > To: shiponedingroup <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
    > Sent: Sat, Jun 22, 2013 10:40 pm
    > Subject: [shiponedingroup] Michael Billington in The Prisoner
    >
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    > That's our Michael Billington as "Woodland Man No. 2" in episode 10**
    > "A Change of Mind" (1967) of "The Prisoner"?
    >
    > I didn't recognize him (shaven) but I see the end credits.
    >
    > small role as thug who attempts to bully No. 6 for being unmutual
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    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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    in reply to: Seeking Comments On A Source #1375
    All the series are available on DVD.

    But yes as Bill said they are all PAL I think, so would be a problem for you?

    — In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, LambuLambu@… wrote:
    >
    > Thanks for the info. I'll have to check out the rareshares site. For some reason the dropbox sample you gave me the link to keeps crashing my browsers.
    >
    >
    > I might just keep checking ebay and Amazon, though, like you suggest. I'm not much of a fan of, as you say "illegal" copies. You can't rely on the quality of the copies (or the person selling them), but mainly it does not show up on the copyright holder's feedback (in this case, probably the BBC) as a sale of their product, which in turn makes it looks like there isn't much of a demand for the series, and therefore the BBC is less likely to release more of them.
    >
    > Thank you!
    > Dino.
    >
    >
    >
    > —–Original Message—–
    > From: samwebster2000 <samwebster2000@…>
    > To: shiponedingroup <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
    > Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 8:14 am
    > Subject: [shiponedingroup] Re: Seeking Comments On A Source
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    > I don't know about the iOffer site, I have not had dealings there.
    >
    > What I can say that obviously they are copies, therefore not official releases and could be technically termed as 'illegal'.
    >
    > If the technicalities do not worry you, and you have a braodband connection then a better possible approach may be to join one of the private sites which share old TV programmes.
    >
    > One such fairly recent new site is http://rareshare.me , I believe that sign-up is at the moment open, so there should be no trouble in joining.
    >
    > There are already several onedin line series available there, and it is expected that all will be before very long.
    >
    > It is not necessary to part with any money at all if you follow the rules of the site.
    >
    > The quality of the video is, really little different form the DVD they were sourced from.
    >
    > There is a sample here:
    > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4965107/Onedin%20sample.avi
    >
    > Alternatively if you want to you can buy all the episodes on official DVD releases, from places like eBay and Amazon.
    >
    > Hope this helps.
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    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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    in reply to: Seeking Comments On A Source #1370
    Forgot to say, right click on the sample url and select "save as" option.

    — In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, "samwebster2000" <samwebster2000@…> wrote:
    >
    >
    > I don't know about the iOffer site, I have not had dealings there.
    >
    > What I can say that obviously they are copies, therefore not official releases and could be technically termed as 'illegal'.
    >
    > If the technicalities do not worry you, and you have a braodband connection then a better possible approach may be to join one of the private sites which share old TV programmes.
    >
    > One such fairly recent new site is http://rareshare.me , I believe that sign-up is at the moment open, so there should be no trouble in joining.
    >
    > There are already several onedin line series available there, and it is expected that all will be before very long.
    >
    > It is not necessary to part with any money at all if you follow the rules of the site.
    >
    > The quality of the video is, really little different form the DVD they were sourced from.
    >
    > There is a sample here:
    > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4965107/Onedin%20sample.avi
    >
    > Alternatively if you want to you can buy all the episodes on official DVD releases, from places like eBay and Amazon.
    >
    > Hope this helps.
    > — In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, "galacticprobe" <LambuLambu@> wrote:
    > >
    > > Greetings, All,
    > >
    > > I was wondering if anyone has experience with purchasing items from the iOffer site. The reason I'm asking is that I found these while searching for TOL DVDs:
    > >
    > > http://www.ioffer.com/i/the-onedin-line-all-8-seasons-204580528 (seller is "natilus")
    > >
    > > There is another seller there but that one is asking a lot more for the series. Here's the page if anyone cares to take a look:
    > >
    > > http://www.ioffer.com/search/items/The%20Onedin%20Line
    > >
    > > The first seller on the list is priced way out of my wallet's range at the moment. The second one listed (natilus) is the one in question. I've read the description for the "DivX" discs and that one put me right off. A little lower on the list is a seller "urbanlaw" who has individual seasons, but when you add up the total price for all eight it comes to more than the expensive seller at the top.
    > >
    > > So does anyone have any experience dealing with any of these sellers on iOffer? Or iOffer itself? It isn't so much the region I'm concerned with, it's the PAL vs. NTSC format. My TV doesn't have the auto detect capability to play both; it's strictly NTSC, and "natilus" supposedly has discs that will play in all formats.
    > >
    > > It's been over 30 years since I've seen an episode, and when the channel in my area stopped airing them the last one they showed (in the spring of 1980) was "Ice and Fire", so I was way behind in the storyline. I would love to get the entire series, but I don't want to just jump into anything because of my eagerness.
    > >
    > > Any and all advice is appreciated.
    > >
    > > Dino.
    > >
    >

    in reply to: Seeking Comments On A Source #1369
    I don't know about the iOffer site, I have not had dealings there.

    What I can say that obviously they are copies, therefore not official releases and could be technically termed as 'illegal'.

    If the technicalities do not worry you, and you have a braodband connection then a better possible approach may be to join one of the private sites which share old TV programmes.

    One such fairly recent new site is http://rareshare.me , I believe that sign-up is at the moment open, so there should be no trouble in joining.

    There are already several onedin line series available there, and it is expected that all will be before very long.

    It is not necessary to part with any money at all if you follow the rules of the site.

    The quality of the video is, really little different form the DVD they were sourced from.

    There is a sample here:
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4965107/Onedin%20sample.avi

    Alternatively if you want to you can buy all the episodes on official DVD releases, from places like eBay and Amazon.

    Hope this helps.

    — In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, "galacticprobe" <LambuLambu@…> wrote:
    >
    > Greetings, All,
    >
    > I was wondering if anyone has experience with purchasing items from the iOffer site. The reason I'm asking is that I found these while searching for TOL DVDs:
    >
    > http://www.ioffer.com/i/the-onedin-line-all-8-seasons-204580528 (seller is "natilus")
    >
    > There is another seller there but that one is asking a lot more for the series. Here's the page if anyone cares to take a look:
    >
    > http://www.ioffer.com/search/items/The%20Onedin%20Line
    >
    > The first seller on the list is priced way out of my wallet's range at the moment. The second one listed (natilus) is the one in question. I've read the description for the "DivX" discs and that one put me right off. A little lower on the list is a seller "urbanlaw" who has individual seasons, but when you add up the total price for all eight it comes to more than the expensive seller at the top.
    >
    > So does anyone have any experience dealing with any of these sellers on iOffer? Or iOffer itself? It isn't so much the region I'm concerned with, it's the PAL vs. NTSC format. My TV doesn't have the auto detect capability to play both; it's strictly NTSC, and "natilus" supposedly has discs that will play in all formats.
    >
    > It's been over 30 years since I've seen an episode, and when the channel in my area stopped airing them the last one they showed (in the spring of 1980) was "Ice and Fire", so I was way behind in the storyline. I would love to get the entire series, but I don't want to just jump into anything because of my eagerness.
    >
    > Any and all advice is appreciated.
    >
    > Dino.
    >

    in reply to: New site #1344
    I downloaded S1 from rareshare, the files are good quality, and in Xvid which plays on the pc or through many media extenders, or burnt to disc DVD players to the TV. They look good even on my 50 inch plasma TV, well as good as 40 year old stuff can be.

    There are plans for the other series to be on there, although for some reason they started with the last ones s7 and s8!

    S

    — In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <william.whittaker1@…> wrote:
    >
    > Yes and series 1 has just appeared there too.
    >
    > Rareshare: http://rareshare.me
    >
    > Bill.
    >
    >
    > —– Original Message —–
    > From: "samwebster2000" <samwebster2000@…>
    > To: <shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com>
    > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 11:38 PM
    > Subject: [shiponedingroup] Re: New site
    >
    >
    > >
    > > Series 7 and 8 on rareshare are xvids made from DVDs. They are of very
    > > good quality. You need a good broadband connection and the right software
    > > like Utorrent [is one] google for it.
    > >
    > > Some other interesting TV stuff building up on there too
    > >
    > > Sam
    > >
    > >
    > > — In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, "backkers120" <johnsimpson65@>
    > > wrote:
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> — In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <william.whittaker1@>
    > >> wrote:
    > >> >
    > >> > I'm told a new torrent site has started up:
    > >> > http://rareshare.me
    > >> >
    > >> > Its about English language TV programmes in the main, and it does have
    > >> > series 7 and 8 Onedin line available at the moment – more are likely to
    > >> > be there soon – might be worth looking at for some on here.
    > >> >
    > >> > Bill.
    > >> >
    > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    > >> >
    > >> Thanks Bill,
    > >>
    > >> Just had a quick look, looks like there is some other interesting content
    > >> as well.
    > >>
    > >> Evan..
    > >>
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ————————————
    > >
    > > Website about the Onedin Line
    > > http://www.sound-research.co.uk/onedin_line.htm Yahoo! Groups Links
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >

    in reply to: New site #1342
    Series 7 and 8 on rareshare are xvids made from DVDs. They are of very good quality. You need a good broadband connection and the right software like Utorrent [is one] google for it.

    Some other interesting TV stuff building up on there too

    Sam

    — In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, "backkers120" <johnsimpson65@…> wrote:
    >
    >
    > — In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <william.whittaker1@> wrote:
    > >
    > > I'm told a new torrent site has started up:
    > > http://rareshare.me
    > >
    > > Its about English language TV programmes in the main, and it does have series 7 and 8 Onedin line available at the moment – more are likely to be there soon – might be worth looking at for some on here.
    > >
    > > Bill.
    > >
    > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    > >
    > Thanks Bill,
    >
    > Just had a quick look, looks like there is some other interesting content as well.
    >
    > Evan..
    >

    in reply to: "Legal wrangle" #1085
    Ive got my series 5 off ebay,very pleased.I must not be as picky
    about the quality as I thought it was good.Very glad to have had the
    old copies from tape as I would never have seen the later series
    otherwise but it is nice to see 5 with a nice stable picture.Fingers
    crossed for the rest to be released now!

    S

    — In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, "Bill"
    <william.whittaker1@…> wrote:

    >
    > All true.
    >
    > If the industry and the representatives of those involved could

    just get their act together a lot more classic stuff would be
    available to folk. I suppose greed and self interest are the factors
    that rule in all of this. Having said that I do believe those who
    worked making a programmes like Onedin (and others of course) should
    get just reward for their part in it.

    >
    > With The Onedin Line, I have and always will buy DVDs of each

    series as they become available, I think most of us will if we can.
    It is worth noting the all the ones I have originate from the
    Netherlands, makes me suspect this is some work-around for legal
    problems.

    >
    > And while not excusing "illegal copying" you can't blame people for

    using the torrent sites, when this is the only way they can get
    series 6, 7, and 8 (and possibly 5 if the problems aren't resolved on
    that).

    >
    > Bootlegging to me is commercial size operations making big bucks as

    was rife not long ago in places like Hong Kong, not people swapping
    their own off-air recordings but I suppose not all will agree with me
    there.

    >
    > Bill.
    >
    >
    >
    > —– Original Message —–
    > From: William Murphy
    > To: shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 4:59 PM
    > Subject: [shiponedingroup] "Legal wrangle"
    >
    >
    > I have a horrible feeling I may know what the "legal wrangle"

    surrounding re-issues of the show might be; unless I'm very mistaken,
    it's going to be over the music rights. It would only take one
    incomplete or incorrectly filled out cue sheet to stop the whole
    series going out. To see just how bad this can get, check out the
    furore over the DVD re-issues of The Fugitive, which will probably
    now stop after having been the best-selling TV reissue ever. Just
    google "fugitive dvd music" and stand by to be horrified. The
    bootleggers are cleaning up. By the way, the music of The Fugitive
    was recorded entirely in London in great secrecy by the LSO, to get
    round an industrial dispute between the studio and American
    musicians. What the studio did to get the second series of The
    Fugitive out on DVD is too disgusting to describe; suffice it to say
    that I will never allow one of the second series DVDs in my house
    unless it is to be used under coffee cups or as

    > Christmas tree decorations. If Pete Rugolo needs a hitman, he

    should give me a call.

    >
    > Another show, Dark Skies, was all set for DVD when the music bill

    came in; it was more than the manufacturing costs and the projected
    five-year sales combined and doubled. As a result, you will never,
    ever see Dark Skies on an official DVD. Again, bonanza for the
    bootleggers.

    >
    > I really, really hope I'm wrong on this, but given the history,

    I'm not hopeful.

    >
    > Bill Scanlan Murphy
    >
    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    >
    >
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    in reply to: music used in series 3 #1061
    Does the seller have a web addy?will they post to uk?i'll have a set.
    sam

    — In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, "jacquelinevanhoorn"
    <jacquelinevanhoorn@…> wrote:

    >
    > DVD series 5 is now for sale !!! (25-11-2008)
    > I managed to get one, and was very happy, because there were only

    two

    > for sale in a 'Blokker' shop here in Vlissingen (Netherlands).
    > Finally we can watch these episodes on dvd and ofcourse this is of
    > much better quality( and more comfortable !)than a download on the
    > computer.
    > Fortunately in series 5 they didn't cut the intro's and the

    credits,

    > so it's better than the previous ones from Memphis Belle.
    > It's very strange I couldn't find this dvd on the Memphis Belle
    > website, although it is licensed to them.
    > It's also for sale on the website of http://www.dvdoutlet.nl, but it's not
    > in stock at the moment, will be in a few weeks I suppose…
    > Hope this is of some help to some people !
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > — In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, William Murphy
    > <lobsanghoskins@> wrote:
    > >
    > > Jacqueline asks:
    > >  
    > > >This actress April Walker, is she the one that played 'Carrie
    > Harris'
    > > >in the Onedin Line as well ?!?!?
    > >  
    > > I'd forgotten that! Yes, the very same. She was Mrs. Anthony

    Isaac

    > at the time.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    > >
    >

    in reply to: music used in series 3 #1054
    Now i'm wondering what it is!Any body know yet? 🙂

    — In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, "backkers120" <g123666@…>
    wrote:

    >
    >
    > Bill Scanlan Murphy,
    >
    > Thanks for that interesting yet sad piece of information.
    >
    > Nice music grab too (Moderator) Bill.
    >
    > Evan…
    > — In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, William Murphy
    > <lobsanghoskins@> wrote:
    > >
    > > Hi, all –
    > >
    > > A question for me if ever there was one! I'll dig out my discs of
    > Series 3 and check this out this evening. Of course, the music

    adviser

    > then was dear Tony Isaac. I wonder how many of the group know

    anything

    > about Tony, whose passing was such a dreadful tragedy back in –

    when? –

    > 1979. By then he had moved on from Onedin Line to Warship and

    several

    > other successful shows, and was doing pretty well. Then his whole

    world

    > collapsed in about a week. His wife of six months left him, and –
    > typical World of TV, I'm afraid – a producer who had asked him to
    > provide all the music for a new show (a very big deal) was fired and
    > replaced by someone else who brought his own composer with him.

    Tony had

    > just signed the papers on a big new house in the country on the

    strength

    > of this, and suddenly found himself about 50,000 pounds in the

    hole. I

    > had the awful responsibility of telling producer Geraint Morris that
    > Tony had hanged himself soon after production started
    > > on Series 7.
    > >
    > > Years later, I had the similarly awful task of calling round old
    > Onedin friends to tell them that Gerald Blake had been found dead

    in his

    > flat in 1991. I was calling Gerry one morning to arrange lunch with

    him

    > when a strange voice answered the phone; it was a coroner's

    assistant.

    > Gerry had been going to treat me to lunch to celebrate my

    engagement to

    > my present wife. For reasons too awful to describe here, there was

    no

    > real funeral for Gerry's many friends to attend, and I was still

    meeting

    > people five years later who had no idea that he had died. I still

    miss

    > him horribly to this day.
    > >
    > > Anyway, watch this space for the music!
    > >
    > > Bill Scanlan Murphy
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    > >
    >

    in reply to: Series 5 #1038
    Cant understand the mentality of the bbc.Series 5 6 7 8 has been
    popular on torrent sites and i'm guessing this says something,as no
    direspect to anyone here,but i'd think the generation who remember
    the show are not likly to be in the majority when it comes to using
    computers.What i'm saying is it must have appeal to all ages as a
    period piece,so why not cash in and release the lot on dvd?I for one
    buy them as they come out meanwhile i make do with the torrent
    versions

    S

    — In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com,
    "Bill" <william.whittaker1@…> wrote:

    >
    > Here we are in October, I wonder if there is any news of S5 Memphis

    Belle

    > have said they are releasing?
    >
    > Memphis Belle is an unfortunate name for such an outfit as it make

    a Google

    > search for them difficult, anyone got the URL?
    >
    > Oh! And while I'm here, welcome to several new members on here,

    things are

    > quiet as usual – but don't give up on us.
    >
    > Bill.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > —– Original Message —–
    > From: Diana
    > To: shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com
    > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:50 PM
    > Subject: [shiponedingroup] Series 5
    >
    >
    > Hi everyone.
    >
    > I've not posted on here for ages but thought you might like to know
    > Memphis Belle have said they are releasing series five in October.
    >
    > This may have been mentioned previously, if you want the complete
    > series two on DVD, this was released in Australia a few months ago.
    >
    > Thanks Bill for the YouTube blooper. I enjoyed watching that. There
    > must be lots more in the BBC archives somewhere.
    >
    > Diana
    >
    >
    >
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    2008

    > 1:22 PM
    >

    in reply to: Episode 1 of Onedin on BBC4 on Sunday #1025
    Ive found it on torrents,try googling onedin line torrent
    in reply to: Onedin Subtitles in English #1016
    — In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com,
    "philipmitchell36" <Poppymitch@…> wrote:

    >
    > Are there any plans you know of to release The Onedin Line with
    > English Subtitles, as my dad loves this series but is deaf & hard

    of

    > hearing. I'm aware of the dutch issues but I believe they don't

    have

    > English Subtitles
    >

    Unfortuately you are right.Possibly some of the early BBC DVD series
    1&2 have them, but the rest dont or at least the ones i have dont.
    Something that should be included really

    sam

    in reply to: (no subject) #1012
    Looking at the season files the xvid in them are different sizes so
    it is likly more than 1 person

    — In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, sgflikchik@… wrote:
    >
    > sure wish we could find the guy who did the videos!!! any ideas??
    >
    >
    >
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    in reply to: Onedin if you are into torrents #1006
    Invites are only given to members of the box when they've done a
    certian amount of uploading as far as i can see.I dont have any.the
    box does not have any files at all it just hosts the tracker files
    that allow computers on the internet to share the files.The 5to8
    seasons are all from vhs someone has done as home recording

    — In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, "ctoime" <ctoime@…> wrote:
    >
    > Hi
    >
    > Would someone be kind enough to invite me to subscribe to The Box ?
    >
    > I tried to join today, but was unsuccessful. I'm not sure what is
    > involved in inviting someone, but if it is not too onerous, then I
    > would be grateful. Having said that, I don't really understand
    > torrents at all, so it may all be in vain. (though there is a lot
    of
    > incentive)
    >
    > Begs the question though, how did the Box get hold of the series ?
    >
    > My email is ctoime@…
    >
    > Rgds
    >
    >
    > Christian
    >
    > Unfortunately my firewall at the office prevents me from checking
    the
    > box every day …
    >
    > — In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, "Janet Gauntt" <JLGauntt@>
    > wrote:
    > >
    > > >
    > > > I've found some onedin stuff on The Box.This is a torrent p2p
    sharing
    > > > site.series 5 is on there at the moment and it looks like more
    will
    > > > get uploaded in the future.you have to keep an eye on when
    they are
    > > > accepting signingup it is closed at the moment as this is a
    private
    > > > group. http://www.thebox.bz/main.php is the page to watch
    > > >
    > >
    > > It seems to be open for signups at the moment. I was able to
    create an
    > > account this morning. Season 5 is available as a torrent.
    > >
    > > — janet
    > >
    >

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