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What a shame that a forum for friendly exchanges has become the site of such bad feeling. I always read the posts and exchanges of other members and enjoy the comments made although I never contributed anything but on this occasion felt the need to say something. It is good to see people contributing enthusiastically and so what if some one got a detail wrong – there are always nice polite ways of addressing such things. Richard, have you never slipped up?
Cheers
Maxine________________________________
From: "LambuLambu@aol.com" <LambuLambu@aol.com>
To: shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 18 May 2013, 2:06
Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] questions about sailingRichard,
This may very well be my last post on this forum, but…
I see no need to get unfriendly, here. I obviously had a term wrong (cradle when it should have been gallows), which I admitted that I stood corrected on that.
You brought up the issue of a derrick vs. a boom, presumable with regards to my statement about my buoy tender. I then simply explained why I was using the term "cradle", and I admitted that I had grown rusty with my terminology after being away from participating in nautical living history. I believe I also said that I was glad to have someone like you to refresh my memory.
In review (and this is in the e-mail chain below): I admitted that "I stand corrected" on the gallows issue. I explained why I used the term "cradle". I praised you for your knowledge and how it refreshed mine.
In return: you attack me and accuse me of wanting to be "the font of all matters nautical" just because I wanted you to understand why I said what I did?
I admit – again – that I've gotten rusty, and again say that I am happy to have someone like you here to correct me when I'm wrong.
So now I ask you… why the personal attack against me for that?
As I await your response, I am entering "lurk mode". I will reply to your response as required, however since my fading knowledge and memories are so offending, I will no longer reply to any other posts unless specifically asked to do so by the person posting, or by a Moderator.
Dino.
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From: R <mailto:advcour%40btinternet.com>
To: shiponedingroup <mailto:shiponedingroup%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, May 17, 2013 5:11 pm
Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] questions about sailingI give up.
I've been building, rigging, restoring and sailing traditional vessels for over 35 years but I can see that being the font on all matters nautical for this group is important to you so I will leave it to you to answer any technical questions in future, okay?
— On Fri, 17/5/13, mailto:LambuLambu%40aol.com <mailto:LambuLambu%40aol.com> wrote:
From: mailto:LambuLambu%40aol.com <mailto:LambuLambu%40aol.com>
Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] questions about sailing
To: mailto:shiponedingroup%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 17 May, 2013, 21:53Ah-ha! So my reply did finally get through! (Slow as usual.)
The largest thing I ever sailed on was a 40-ft ketch, and that was about 35 or so years ago. I tried several times to get the ET1 billet on EAGLE, but each time my boss shot down the request saying that I was "too valuable at [my] current command". BS. He was just an incompetent lieutenant moron and needed me to carry him along. (Seriously, he was, and when I was transferred to a different division without sufficient break-in time for my replacement the LT fell flat on his face. He eventually got passed over for promotion twice and was booted out.) I've had several friends get that billet on EAGLE, but not me. And as I've mentioned, since my back injury I haven't done any nautical living history in some years now, so it's that old "use it or lose it" thing. (My terminology is getting rusty, which is why I love discussions like this; people like you help refresh my memory.)
As for my buoy tender, it was an actual boom. No spars lifted it. On the old A-Class Madrona (the last of the A-Class) it was lifted and moved by four electric motors using cables to work its pullies: one to raise and lower the boom, one to raise and lower the hook, one to pull the boom left, and one to pull it right. When we cross-decked to the refurbed C-Class Cowslip there were only three hydraulically operated pullies: two to raise the boom and also move it right or left, and one for the hook. But it was called a boom, and when we were done working buoys the Deck Chief always reported the boom was "secured in its cradle". (As a side note, when Madrona came out of refurb, she was then a C-Class as well; all of the vintage 1940s 180-ft tenders were C-Classes then.)
Dino.
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From: R <mailto:advcour%40btinternet.com>
To: shiponedingroup <mailto:shiponedingroup%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, May 17, 2013 4:25 pm
Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] questions about sailingWell if it was a spar for hoisting things like a crane then it wasn't a boom but a derek.
You did once say to me that you had never actually sailed a large sailing vessel didn't you?
— On Fri, 17/5/13, mailto:LambuLambu%40aol.com <mailto:LambuLambu%40aol.com> wrote:
From: mailto:LambuLambu%40aol.com <mailto:LambuLambu%40aol.com>
Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] questions about sailing
To: mailto:shiponedingroup%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 17 May, 2013, 21:15Ah, I stand corrected. The crew aboard USCGC Eagle always referred to the boom gallows as the boom cradle. And actually, that's how we referred to the boom gallows on my buoy tender: the cradle. (And the boom was for hoisting buoys, not sails.)
Dino.
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From: R <mailto:advcour%40btinternet.com>
To: shiponedingroup <mailto:shiponedingroup%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, May 17, 2013 3:51 pm
Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] questions about sailingYes, I'm steering!
It's called a boom gallows…
The boom would never be that low anyway to need to duck…
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