the eps on UK Drama

[ivaradi]

Hi, now that its finsished I must say that I've enjoyed watchign
although i have most of htem on video anyway. I havnt noticed cuts -.

even my partner who didn't like it much has takne to watching and
saying that he was grwowing to enjoy it a lot…
it was good to see the French ep which i havene't seen since i was a
child, it was a bit "Allo Allo" in some ways but still it was very
enjoyable. I had to giggle when elizabeth sold the potatoes to teh
Prussian captain.. surely Eliz cuold have offered him soemthing
else!

I wonder if it was dropped from the videos becuase it did show James
as a bit more kindly and principled than he usually is and they felt
it wwas a bit out of character.

does anyone have any thoughts

G

[merligo]

Hi,

 

Re not including Bloody Week in the videos, I guess
there wasn't room for all the episodes and it was decided to omit one episode
from each series and also make cuts to the others so each series would fit on
four videos.  They probably picked on Bloody Week because it is (in my
opinion anyway) the weakest of the second series and, other than the
Elizabeth/Albert angle, is pretty much a stand alone story so its omission
wouldn't affect the continuing storylines.

 

In terms of the cuts made by UKTV Drama, if you
watch the BBC video of 'Frisco Bound and compare, you'll see that the scene
with Anne & James in the cabin of the Charlotte Rhodes before she sails is
totally cut as well as the scene when the ship returns and James walks down the
gangplank and kisses Anne.  I particularly noticed those two cuts as
'Frisco Bound is one of my fav episodes and UKTV Drama ruined the episode for
me.

 

I've only watched 2/3 episodes in their entirety so
far but I think every episode has been cut by I
guess two to three minutes.  Bill, I would be interested to know how much
has been cut when you get round to checking your old tapes.  When the BBC
originally broadcast series one and two in 1971 and 1972, each episode had a
fifty minute timeslot with opening and ending credits.  However, this
would also have included a bit of time for BBC programme trailers so each
episode in its entirety is probably approx. 48 minutes.

 

Diana

 

 

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From:
gduch2001

To: shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 10:42
AM

Subject: [shiponedingroup] the eps on UK
Drama

Hi, now that its finsished I must say that I've enjoyed
watchign
although i have most of htem on video anyway.  I havnt
noticed cuts -.

even my partner who didn't like it much has takne to
watching and
saying that he was grwowing to enjoy it a lot...
it was
good to see the French ep which i havene't seen since i was a
child, it
was a bit "Allo Allo" in some ways but still it was very
enjoyable. 
I had to giggle when elizabeth sold the potatoes to teh
Prussian captain..
surely Eliz cuold have offered him soemthing
else! 

I wonder
if it was dropped from the videos becuase it did show James
as a bit more
kindly and principled than he usually is and they felt
it wwas a bit out
of character. 

does anyone have any
thoughts

G

[liamegan2000]

2 episode were dropped one each from series 1 and
2. I've heard suggestions that Cry of the Blackbird from 1 was a bit
controversial at the time the VHS recordings were first offered, political
correctness creeping in or some such nonsense, and that Bloody Week from 2 did
not really lose much to the thread of the story and was not up to the standard
of the rest of the production anyway. (Which is a matter of opinion – not
necessarily mine).

 

I suspect the real reasons were more to do with the
length of VHS cassettes and perhaps some repeat fee arguments, I wonder if
anyone knows for sure?

 

Bill.

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From:
gduch2001

To: shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 10:42
AM

Subject: [shiponedingroup] the eps on UK
Drama

Hi, now that its finsished I must say that I've enjoyed
watchign
although i have most of htem on video anyway.  I havnt
noticed cuts -.

even my partner who didn't like it much has takne to
watching and
saying that he was grwowing to enjoy it a lot...
it was
good to see the French ep which i havene't seen since i was a
child, it
was a bit "Allo Allo" in some ways but still it was very
enjoyable. 
I had to giggle when elizabeth sold the potatoes to teh
Prussian captain..
surely Eliz cuold have offered him soemthing
else! 

I wonder
if it was dropped from the videos becuase it did show James
as a bit more
kindly and principled than he usually is and they felt
it wwas a bit out
of character. 

does anyone have any
thoughts

G

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[liamegan2000]

Diana,

 

I just checked 2 episodes the BBC
broadcast repeated during the 50 year anniversary of the beeb (IIRC
1986?)

 

The running time for episodes 3 (Other Points Of
The Compass) and 4 (The High Price) were according to the TCM on the video
machine 49 minutes 10 seconds (give or take  few seconds difference), this
is from the beginning of the opening title to the end of the closing title. I
have a few more of these original from the beeb episodes along with the closing
credits of the Clothes Show. I'll check the running times on those when I'm
feeling bored.

 

Anyhow. From UK Drama, with all the adverts edited
out and again from opening to closing titles, Ep 3 is 46 minutes 43 seconds, Ep
4 is 47 minutes 15 seconds.

 

Quickly looking through a sample of all the UK
Drama episodes the run times are all in this area. Something around 2 minutes
would appear to be missing from every one of them.

 

One thing I did notice when editing and did
not check on was that the repeat episode broadcast early in the morning only had
1.5 minute advert slots instead of the usual 3-4 minute ones during the day.
(I'd recorded this because I messed up editing one of the daytime
slots and needed the first 25 minutes of it) I did not check however if the
overall running time was different, I doubt it was, as they would not bother to
do a different edit for that slot? The extra time was probably filled up with
upcoming programme information or something.

 

Bill.

 

 

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From: moonroll

To: shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 3:07
PM
Subject: Re: [shiponedingroup] the eps on UK
Drama

Hi,

Re not including Bloody Week in the videos, I guess
there wasn't room for all the episodes and it was decided to omit one episode
from each series and also make cuts to the others so each series would fit on
four videos.  They probably picked on Bloody Week because it is (in my
opinion anyway) the weakest of the second series and, other than the
Elizabeth/Albert angle, is pretty much a stand alone story so its omission
wouldn't affect the continuing storylines.

In terms of the cuts made by
UKTV Drama, if you watch the BBC video of 'Frisco Bound and compare, you'll see
that the scene with Anne & James in the cabin of the Charlotte Rhodes before
she sails is totally cut as well as the scene when the ship returns and James
walks down the gangplank and kisses Anne.  I particularly noticed those two
cuts as 'Frisco Bound is one of my fav episodes and UKTV Drama ruined the
episode for me.

I've only watched 2/3 episodes in their entirety so far
but I think every episode has been cut by I guess two to three minutes. 
Bill, I would be interested to know how much has been cut when you get round to
checking your old tapes.  When the BBC originally broadcast series one and
two in 1971 and 1972, each episode had a fifty minute timeslot with opening and
ending credits.  However, this would also have included a bit of time for
BBC programme trailers so each episode in its entirety is probably approx. 48
minutes.

Diana

Date: 28/07/2005

[ivaradi]

Cry of hte Blackbird? I havne't seen all the first series on UK
Drama, as its on when i get home from work, and if Im late I might
not bother watching. which one is that as I have never seen it? why
is it controversial?
I enjoyed Bloody Week, as I said, soem of the acting was a bit !"Allo
Allo" but overall i thought that it was good and i didn't think that
it was an implausible development for James, that he shoudl tihnk a
little about politics and morality in such a situation, I really
liked that aspect of it.

G

" <william.whittaker1@n…> wrote:

> 2 episode were dropped one each from series 1 and 2. I've heard

suggestions that Cry of the Blackbird from 1 was a bit controversial
at the time the VHS recordings were first offered, political
correctness creeping in or some such nonsense, and that Bloody Week
from 2 did not really lose much to the thread of the story and was
not up to the standard of the rest of the production anyway. (Which
is a matter of opinion – not necessarily mine).

>
> I suspect the real reasons were more to do with the length of VHS

cassettes and perhaps some repeat fee arguments, I wonder if anyone
knows for sure?

>
> Bill.
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> Subject: [shiponedingroup] the eps on UK Drama
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> Hi, now that its finsished I must say that I've enjoyed watchign
> although i have most of htem on video anyway. I havnt noticed

cuts -.

>
> even my partner who didn't like it much has takne to watching and
> saying that he was grwowing to enjoy it a lot…
> it was good to see the French ep which i havene't seen since i

was a

> child, it was a bit "Allo Allo" in some ways but still it was

very

> enjoyable. I had to giggle when elizabeth sold the potatoes to

teh

> Prussian captain.. surely Eliz cuold have offered him soemthing
> else!
>
> I wonder if it was dropped from the videos becuase it did show

James

> as a bit more kindly and principled than he usually is and they

felt

> it wwas a bit out of character.
>
> does anyone have any thoughts
>
> G
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[liamegan2000]

I vaguely remember some controversy when the
episode was originally aired, in those days it was my mother who was the big fan
of the series and I had to keep quiet while it was on – if I was in! I
think there was some complaints about the portrayal of black people being
stereotyped, that sort of thing. but after all these years I'm not really
sure.

 

Having said that I think the decision to cut
it (and Bloody Week) was more to do with running time of VHS tapes,
you can get different standard length tapes for PAL (Europe) which are mainly 2,
3, and 4 hours. For America's NTSC system I think the equivalent gives
shorter time for the same amount of tape, or US readers may put me right on
this. Any length of tape of within the limits of the system is possible but
I would suppose it might be a question of production cost? 

 

Bill.

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From:
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To: shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 11:12
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Subject: [shiponedingroup] Re: the eps on
UK Drama

Cry of hte Blackbird?  I havne't seen all the first
series on UK
Drama, as its on when i get home from work, and if Im late I
might
not bother watching.  which one is that as I have never seen
it?  why
is it controversial?
I enjoyed Bloody Week, as I said,
soem of the acting was a bit !"Allo
Allo" but overall i thought that it
was good and i didn't think that
it was an implausible development for
James, that he shoudl tihnk a
little about politics and morality in such a
situation, I really
liked that aspect of it.

G

"
<william.whittaker1@n...> wrote:
> 2 episode were dropped one each
from series 1 and 2. I've heard
suggestions that Cry of the Blackbird from
1 was a bit controversial
at the time the VHS recordings were first
offered, political
correctness creeping in or some such nonsense, and that
Bloody Week
from 2 did not really lose much to the thread of the story and
was
not up to the standard of the rest of the production anyway. (Which

is a matter of opinion - not necessarily mine).
>
> I suspect
the real reasons were more to do with the length of VHS
cassettes and
perhaps some repeat fee arguments, I wonder if anyone
knows for
sure?
>
> Bill.
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>   To:
shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, July 30,
2005 10:42 AM
>   Subject: [shiponedingroup] the eps on UK
Drama
>
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>   Hi, now that its finsished I must
say that I've enjoyed watchign
>   although i have most of
htem on video anyway.  I havnt noticed
cuts -.
>

>   even my partner who didn't like it much has takne to
watching and
>   saying that he was grwowing to enjoy it a
lot...
>   it was good to see the French ep which i havene't
seen since i
was a
>   child, it was a bit "Allo Allo" in
some ways but still it was
very
>   enjoyable.  I
had to giggle when elizabeth sold the potatoes to
teh
>  
Prussian captain.. surely Eliz cuold have offered him soemthing

>   else! 
>
>   I wonder if it
was dropped from the videos becuase it did show
James
>  
as a bit more kindly and principled than he usually is and they
felt

>   it wwas a bit out of character. 
>

>   does anyone have any thoughts
>

>   G
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[merligo]

Bill,

Thanks v much for the info.

Yes I had noticed the 5.00 am broadcast had less ads but it also had
a shorter timeslot. I've taped the 11.00 am, 5.00 am (for Marianne,
not me!) and Sunday broadcasts. I have done a quick check of 'Frisco
Bound and the same cuts were made in all three broadcasts.

I guess there's a chance that when series one and two are shown again
in September, they might restore the cuts/have different cuts but I
very much doubt it. Very, very annoying!

Diana

— In shiponedingroup@yahoogroups.com, "Bill"
<william.whittaker1@n…> wrote:

> Diana,
>
> I just checked 2 episodes the BBC broadcast repeated during the 50

year anniversary of the beeb (IIRC 1986?)

>
> The running time for episodes 3 (Other Points Of The Compass) and 4

(The High Price) were according to the TCM on the video machine 49
minutes 10 seconds (give or take few seconds difference), this is
from the beginning of the opening title to the end of the closing
title. I have a few more of these original from the beeb episodes
along with the closing credits of the Clothes Show. I'll check the
running times on those when I'm feeling bored.

>
> Anyhow. From UK Drama, with all the adverts edited out and again

from opening to closing titles, Ep 3 is 46 minutes 43 seconds, Ep 4
is 47 minutes 15 seconds.

>
> Quickly looking through a sample of all the UK Drama episodes the

run times are all in this area. Something around 2 minutes would
appear to be missing from every one of them.

>
> One thing I did notice when editing and did not check on was that

the repeat episode broadcast early in the morning only had 1.5 minute
advert slots instead of the usual 3-4 minute ones during the day.
(I'd recorded this because I messed up editing one of the daytime
slots and needed the first 25 minutes of it) I did not check however
if the overall running time was different, I doubt it was, as they
would not bother to do a different edit for that slot? The extra time
was probably filled up with upcoming programme information or
something.

>
> Bill.
>

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